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finnegan waking up
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 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: Video evidence HackOtaku is a liar |
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http://vine.co/v/5Kna9lJBZ0n
You can stop lying now. And you can stop saying I'm the one who can't admit their mistake.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Uhhhh.....?
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Uhhhh.....? |
I didn't know vine only did six seconds video was 15 so the last 9 were cut off. Post fixed. Next you'll get wrecked on the solar system.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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wtf lol
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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He has called me a liar countless times and accused me of inserting my own meaning and words into Qur'an, even though I just pronounce the scholarly consensus and give what is written in Qur'an itself.
He has two options at this point, admit his mistake and then coming to the truth, or be known as a vehement liar. It was either a deliberate obfuscation of the truth or a genuine mistake, either way, the matter is settled.
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HackOtaku
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Oh, this egg shit again. Just because it is written that way in a book doesnt mean it's a correct translation.
Here is a pro-islam site to help you with this:
http://en.islamtoday.net/node/667
Furthermore, eggs are prolate sphereoids, and the earth is a very slight oblate sphereoid, so why would God compare it to an ostrich egg, when it doesn't look very much like that at all, and is much closer to a regular sphere than an egg?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I don't need a kuffar to teach me Islam. I'll just go with the established meaning. and I'd rather take a doctor and sheikh's translation over yours, when you've never touched Qur'an.
http://islamqa.info/en/118698
http://dawahtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/quran-7930-is-earth-egg-shaped.html?m=1
| gratesage wrote: | | Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is |
Find me Hadith or an Aya that forbids it.
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| greatsage wrote: | I don't need a kuffar to teach me Islam. I'll just go with the established meaning. and I'd rather take a doctor and sheikh's translation over yours, when you've never touched Qur'an.
http://islamqa.info/en/118698
http://dawahtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/quran-7930-is-earth-egg-shaped.html?m=1
| gratesage wrote: | | Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is |
Find me Hadith or an Aya that forbids it. |
Why don't you ever respond Skype?
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HackOtaku
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| greatsage wrote: | I don't need a kuffar to teach me Islam. I'll just go with the established meaning. and I'd rather take a doctor and sheikh's translation over yours, when you've never touched Qur'an.
http://islamqa.info/en/118698
http://dawahtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/quran-7930-is-earth-egg-shaped.html?m=1
| gratesage wrote: | | Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is |
Find me Hadith or an Aya that forbids it. |
Thats all well and good if you wish to deny it and take the meaning that more suits your purposes, but the notion the the earth is egg shaped is incorrect, and since God cant be wrong, to me I don't think he was saying that, and no one during his time took it to mean that. It hardly makes me a liar.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | greatsage wrote: | I don't need a kuffar to teach me Islam. I'll just go with the established meaning. and I'd rather take a doctor and sheikh's translation over yours, when you've never touched Qur'an.
http://islamqa.info/en/118698
http://dawahtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/quran-7930-is-earth-egg-shaped.html?m=1
| gratesage wrote: | | Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is |
Find me Hadith or an Aya that forbids it. |
Thats all well and good if you wish to deny it and take the meaning that more suits your purposes, but the notion the the earth is egg shaped is incorrect, and since God cant be wrong, to me I don't think he was saying that, and no one during his time took it to mean that. It hardly makes me a liar. |
nah disagreeing with him makes you a liar
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finnegan waking up
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | greatsage wrote: | I don't need a kuffar to teach me Islam. I'll just go with the established meaning. and I'd rather take a doctor and sheikh's translation over yours, when you've never touched Qur'an.
http://islamqa.info/en/118698
http://dawahtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/quran-7930-is-earth-egg-shaped.html?m=1
| gratesage wrote: | | Also, as a Muslim I wanna chime in on how haram playing that music with the Quran in it is |
Find me Hadith or an Aya that forbids it. |
Thats all well and good if you wish to deny it and take the meaning that more suits your purposes, but the notion the the earth is egg shaped is incorrect, and since God cant be wrong, to me I don't think he was saying that, and no one during his time took it to mean that. It hardly makes me a liar. |
Thats all well and good if you wish to deny it and take the meaning that more suits your purposes, but the scholarly consensus and meaning has always been egg-shaped. all of the muslims here know this. everyone at masjid i could ask knows this. sheikhs and mullahs who have degrees in islamic studies, hafiz who have qur'an memorised, and even those in the time of the Prophet of God salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam, had this consensus.
this is your last chance. otherwise, you will be forever branded as a liar, because you are plainly denying reality.
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4. Earth is geospherical in shape
The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Quran, Chapter 79, Verse 30
The "dahu" in the Arabic Language means to extend and even out. It is said: "daha" the thing; "yad'hu dahwan". These terms can mean he either evened out and extended it or he threw it and rolled it. It is also said: "the rain daha the stones from the face of the earth," which means it rolled it and washed it away. It is also said: "The horse passed by yad'hu dahwan," which means he is beating his foot on the ground and yad'hu its sand. Also, the ostrich's mad'hi means its laying of its eggs, and "ad'hiha" is the nest where its chicks are born.
So as we clearly see, all of the above Arabic words that are derived from "daha" mean:
1- To extend.
2- To roll.
3- To even out.
4- Causing to become egg-shaped or creating, making or producing eggs (see the ostrich's mad'hi example above).
The meanings all derive from the root word in arabic, there is nothing wrong with applying all the meanings especially amazing in this situation seeing as they are all true. Arabic is a rich language and words usually have more then one meaning
The Arabic word dahaha in Noble Verse 79:30 above did have multiple meanings and uses. One of them was when one refers to an ostrich egg. Another was when referring to making something extended, spread out, stretched and/or expanded. This is an example of how Allah Almighty uses scientific notions in the Noble Quran when He talked about how He created certain things. He gave words that had multiple meanings and interpretations to them to make the Noble Quran truly be for all times and all places, and show it has deeper meanings. The meanings unravel more and more as scientific discoveries increase
The shape of the earth being similar to an oblate spheroid [ Also according to Wikipedia: "The Earth's shape is very close to an oblate spheroid—a rounded shape with a bulge around the equator—although the precise shape (the geoid) varies from this by up to 100 metres (327 ft)."
Eggs can be described as prolate spheroids, ovate spehroids or oblate spheroids. The fact is the word used in the Quran has particular root link to an ostrich egg
We are specifically observing an Ostrich egg which does resemble an Oblate Spheroid and NOT Prolate Spheroid. More over technical labeling is irrelevant since these are invented modern names that we ascribe to the earth. How would it make sense for God to describe the earth as an 'Oblate spheroid' 1400 years ago? Even if God were to describe the Earth as simply 'round' it would be incorrect. Describing the Earth as resembling an ostrich egg is very significant and precise as it was not only unique at the time but is still accurate and visually relevant
Thus its not just a case of bad translation, the words in arabic have multiple meanings and all cant be used at once however deeper analysis do show that all the meanings are accurate. This however is not likely to convince the non muslim who most probably thinks the muslims are stretching it abit and using words they want to use, which is their choice and is fair enough.
But to say the verses are irrelevant is incorrect, they certainly have some merit
Thus the allegation is untrue, the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony.
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| So my choices are to say that I think the earth is egg-shaped (a lie), or to say I believe Allah said the earth was egg-shaped (making god a liar), or to say that I believe the passage means "spread out" instead of "egg shaped" (which falls perfectly in line with many other passages of Allah having spread out the earth), and if I choose the last one, that's the one that makes me a liar?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Don't bother with linguistics, these white people won't understand, it's out of their scope since they only speak English
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | So my choices are to say that I think the earth is egg-shaped (a lie), or to say I believe Allah said the earth was egg-shaped (making god a liar), or to say that I believe the passage means "spread out" instead of "egg shaped" (which falls perfectly in line with many other passages of Allah having spread out the earth), and if I choose the last one, that's the one that makes me a liar? |
straw-man
"in the shape of", "like an egg"; it does not say "exactly like an egg"  it is giving an example, this is so obvious.
you are intentionally twisting the context and inserting a meaning that isn't there; it does not say "exactly"; it says "in the shape of"; completely different. the arabic meaning is even more coherent and you have people in this thread who speak arabic and have read the aya who are agreeing that you are /wrong/.
you are intentionally obfuscating the truth. just like when you say qur'an says that the sun revolves around the earth.
qur'an is in harmony with science. it is 100% accurate. and "egg-shaped" is a good analogy.
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