الحمد للهيا الله جعلها باردة وغير ضارة _________________
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
yeah and the word it uses for "strike" is more actually "with a toothbrush"... or splash with water on the face...
"Lo! My last recommendation to you is that you should TREAT WOMEN WELL. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - EXCEPT IF THEY COMMIT A MANIFEST INDECENCY. If they do, then refuse to share their beds and hit them WITHOUT INDECENT VIOLENCE . Then, if they obey you, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over them is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision."
in short:
not surprised that you have no idea what the qur'an speaks about, or how islam treats women. if islam was oppressive to women, there would not be four female converts for every one male convert.
"Do you not know that the face is taboo? (al-sura muharrama) I, whom you see in front of you, the seventh of my brothers, was with the Messenger of Allah and we only had one servant; one of us slapped him, so the Messenger of Allah commanded us to free him."
"I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
yeah, i am not surprised that you flaunt your ignorance by deliberate misrepresentation, and by quoting out of context.
qur'an has pages and pages giving rights to women. the Prophet (alayhe salaam) said that paradise is at the feet of the mother.
[30:21] And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect.
[3:195] Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another...
[2:231] ...And do not harm or transgress your wives...
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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I'm just throwing out Qu'ran verses, they are open to their own interpretation, as you clearly indicate.
Honestly, how do you justify the life that Muhammad lived other than his book said it was cool for him to do whatever the fuck he wanted? He may have done good, but he also did a lot of bad, and you seem to just brush that off.
I'm just throwing out Qu'ran verses, they are open to their own interpretation, as you clearly indicate.
Honestly, how do you justify the life that Muhammad lived other than his book said it was cool for him to do whatever the fuck he wanted? He may have done good, but he also did a lot of bad, and you seem to just brush that off.
citation needed for bold
Qur'an also is not Muhammad ( عليه السلام alayhe salaam ) 's book. it is the word of Allah verbatim. in it he is commanded on what to do and what not to do. so you are again, as always, severely mistaken in what you assert about qur'an
which every Muslim knows that Qur'an is not open to each person's own interpretation. it is up to every Muslim to ponder the intention behind the Word conveyed by the creator. where, also, did i "clearly indicate" that it is open to interpretation? the verses sent down were clear. they are not meant for others to inject and insist their own meanings upon them.
[3:7] "It is God who has sent down to you the book: In it are verses clear (muhkamat), they are the foundation of the book, others are unspecific (mutashabihat)."
the aya in question is obviously not allegorical or unspecific. you are just deliberately twisting the meaning. there is but one meaning, and one interpretation: Allah's ( سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ subhanahu wa ta'ala )
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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From an outside point of view, the book is NOT the divine word of Allah, and we can argue for days about that concept and neither will move an inch, so stop bringing up it's the actual word of god as if you're making a point. I am not mistaken if it can't be proven to be true, I am just of a different opinion. And you yourself have injected your own meaning (Earth is egg-shaped?) to suit your own needs.
As for bad things he did, let's start with him having sex with a 9 year old girl when he was in his 50's. Even if it wasn't uncommon for his time, he is supposed to be the spiritual ideal, he should have known better. In the end, he was just a man.
From an outside point of view, the book is NOT the divine word of Allah, and we can argue for days about that concept and neither will move an inch, so stop bringing up it's the actual word of god as if you're making a point. I am not mistaken if it can't be proven to be true, I am just of a different opinion. And you yourself have injected your own meaning (Earth is egg-shaped?) to suit your own needs.
As for bad things he did, let's start with him having sex with a 9 year old girl when he was in his 50's. Even if it wasn't uncommon for his time, he is supposed to be the spiritual ideal, he should have known better. In the end, he was just a man.
Muhammad wrote:
Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith.
The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.
To overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil.
None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.
Four things support the world: the learning of the wise, the justice of the great, the prayers of the good, and the valor of the brave
>from an outside point of view, the book is
blah blah, all point of views are outside points of views. you want an outside point of view that is not from a muslim? then you will get one from scholars who convert to islam who profess that Qur'an is divine word of Allah.
>and we can argue about days for that concept and neither will move an inch
except, you have blatantly exalted yourself; that is why you will see no progress in yourself: you blatantly deny the truth, and plentiful evidence.
your heart, mind, ears, and eyes; these are all sealed.
progress, however, has been made: just not for you.
my imaan has been increased. i know it has for others as well. and plenty will convert with this knowledge.
>And you yourself have injected your own meaning (Earth is egg-shaped?) to suit your own needs.
wrong. that is you inserting your own meanings, and intentionally misrepresenting: AGAIN. after this post i will address you no further because you have consistently made a fool of yourself and denied a blatant truth.
ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
[79:30] وَٱلۡأَرۡضَ بَعۡدَ ذَٲلِكَ دَحَٮٰهَآ
if you asked any egyptian reciting this verse what it means, they will say egg-shaped. although they are much, much more educated than you, and have actually read Qur'an, they are probably not scholars and are without qualifications.
according to Sheikh Metwally, and Dr. Zakir Naik, established, prominent Islamic scholars, who are well educated on the subjects of Qur'an, Sunnah, and Tafsir (which you are instigating, and are, obviously, unqualified to speak upon the subject):
دَحَٮٰهَآ dahaha means egg-shaped. derived duhya which means ostrich-egg. and the earth is exactly in that shape.
i have injected no meaning. you have, again, no substance: only falsities, and misrepresentations.
on the subject of Aisha (alayhe salaam), Joseph (alayhe salaam) was 90 when he married 12 year old Mary (alayhe salaam), but i digress:
that age is natural. your own state's age of consent was 10. in those climates, Aisha (alayhe salaam) was well developed. it was a 100% acceptable action, legally and socially.
in fact, The Prophet (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam), whom was anything more than just a man (hate to break your ego), was Aisha's second husband. you aren't criticising Muhammad, you are criticising yourself for not knowing the relativity of subjective cultural values that you can not remove yourself from, to understand.
for the second video, you can skip to 1:55 for Aisha
so please, stop using your ignorance to attack Muhammad (alayhe salaam), who outshines you in every way.
Encyclopedia Britannica wrote:
A mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men.
George Bernard dawn wrote:
If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe, within the next hundred years, it could be Islam.
I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality.
It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. The world must doubtless attach high value to the predictions of great men like me. I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ.
I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.
Wolfgang Goethe wrote:
He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:
Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it.
Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?
Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire: that is MUHAMMAD. As regards all the standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?
William Montgomery Watt wrote:
His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.
Will Durant wrote:
If we rated greatness by the influence of the great, we will say "Muhammad is the greatest of the great in history"
Edward Gibbon wrote:
The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword.
Washington Irving wrote:
He was sober and abstemious in his diet, and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected, but the result of a real disregard to distinction from so trivial a source … In his private dealings he was just. He treated friends and strangers, the rich and poor, the powerful and the weak, with equity, and was beloved by the common people for the affability with which he received them, and listened to their complaints … His military triumphs awakened no pride nor vain glory, as they would have done had they been effected for selfish purposes. In the time of his greatest power he maintained the same simplicity of manners and appearance as in the days of his adversity. So far from affecting regal state, he was displeased if, on entering a room, any unusual testimonial of respect were shown to him.
Annie Besant wrote:
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.
the only conclusion is that you know nothing of the life and character, how he taught and how he lived. that you are truly, an ignorant slanderer, who simply speaks falsehoods.
ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
You have absolutely no argument here. I don't know how many times people need to tell you that you cannot argue that you're not misguided or wrong for believing in the teachings of Islam by quoting the teachings if Islam.
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