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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:55 am    Post subject: How to play these chord notations??? Reply with quote

OK, so here is a song I found in Russian:

Variety 1:

http://dvasongs.com/songs/object/p-jed-toboj-ja-sklonjus-3542/

Variety 2:

http://dvasongs.com/songs/object/p-jed-toboju-ja-sklonjus-v-tishine-3379/

Here are my questions:

What does the notation "E2/6" in the first variety mean? How would I play it on a piano?

In the second variety, there are chords "Em64/E" and "C64/C". I know the slash part of it, but what does the "64" mean here? How would I play that too?


This is a very nice song that has nice-sounding chords, I ask that you play it and tell me what you think of it... Thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a quick google search it seems as if they are guitar chords. However, it may be which octive you play it in, so E64 you would play an E in octave 6 and 4.

Also, looking at the second link 'H – Hsus4 - H'. H doesn't exist. Not quite sure what that is about.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H is B... that's just a notation that I also try to avoid...

thanks for the input!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: This post has 1 review(s) Reply with quote

Hey im about to look at the links, but from what you have written let me say a few things Razz.

I hope you know an Emajor chord is actually E53.(it's written E then 5 to the right above the 3 that's also to the right of the chord, but it's redundant to write it because that's the STANDARD or the ROOT position, meaning no INVERSIONS) because you play E then the 3rd note in the E major scale, then the 5th note in the Emajor scale. the DISTANCE between the 1 and 5 is a perfect 5th, and the distance between 1 and 3 is a major third!

It's called Emajor in Root position. E G# B cause in E major there are 4 #'s F# C# G# D#.
So, E F# G# A B C# D.

an E64 is Emajor in 2nd inversion. where the root note is the 5TH which is B, then the 1, which is E and then the Third, which is G# .
the 64 is the interval from the root note B(5) to E(1) is a perfect 4th, and from the root note B(5) to G#(3) (an octave higherbecause of inversion) a major 6th.

Ok I just tried to post here again, and wrote SO MUCH, but it said you can't double post yet, and I lost all my writing!

I'm just gonna do a very short version, ask if you need
after looking at your links, Russian Very Happy and here's the explanation.

E2 is 1 2 5. E F# B
E2/6 is 1 2 6 E F# C#
E53 root position 1 3 5
E63 first inversion the root is inverted an octave higher so you get 3 5 1
E64 second inversion the third is inverted an octave higher you get 5 1 3
Triads only have 2 inversions
7th chords have 3 etc etc
9th chords and up become repeats. meaning 9th =2 11th=3 13th=5 note of the scale.

HERE'S A GREAT LINK AND SITE I FOUND THAT TEACHES EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MUSIC THEORY (WELL ATLEAST THE BASICS LOL Very Happy )
http://www.musictheory.net/lessons/42


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh ok, i kinda get it... but i still need to clear some things up...

there is an E minor 64 chord (Em64) in the second version of the song... comparing it to the first version, does this mean it's just an Esus2 chord???

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itapa wrote:
oh ok, i kinda get it... but i still need to clear some things up...

there is an E minor 64 chord (Em64) in the second version of the song... comparing it to the first version, does this mean it's just an Esus2 chord???


I EDITED MY ABOVE POST, I HAVEN'T DONE THEORY IN A WHILE AND KINDA FORGOT, THEN WHEN I SAT AND PLAYED IT THROUGH IT MADE NO SENSE LOL.
THE 64 IS INTERVAL DISTANCE NOT ACTUALLY THE 6TH OR THE 4TH NOTE, RE READ MY ABOVE POST, SORRY!.

K check this out
I explained this, but like i said before, my work was lost


the ROOT (the 1of the chord) gives you the NAME of the chord
the THIRD (the 3 of the chord) gives you the QUALITY of the chord
the FIFTH (the 5 of the chord) gives it a nice ring because the distance from 1 to 5 is PERFECT fifth( unlike 1 to 3 which is a MAJOR third, and 1 to b3 which is a MINOR third)
also the FIFTH completes the TRIAD! three notes= triad
there are chords called DYADs which can be OPEN meaning no QUALITY (no third, just 1 5) or major minor dyads which are 1 3 or 1 b3 respectively( NOTE that there can be many types of DYADS, like 1 2 / 1 4 etc etc , they don't even have to start on 1)

ANYWAY back to your question
remember how I said the THIRD is the quality?
When you play a SUSPENDED chord, sus for short, it OMITS the third and instead replaces it with a major 2nd or a perfect 4th.
So an Esus2 chord is 1 2 5
Em in 2nd inversion is 5 1 3b
because there is no quality, the chord sounds SUSPENDED in mid air, with no DIRECTION, therefore it's called a sus chord.

that's the thing about those 2 versions, they are DIFFERENT VERSIONS Smile
one has the quality of an Eminor chord, just inverted while the suspended chord has a different sound altogether
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, i understand inversions. Thanks a lot!

now the question still remains: what does the 64 mean in Em64?

comparing the two versions, the chord E2 (Esus2) is equivalent to Em64... (Open two tabs and you will see that both versions have this resemblance)

does the 64 tell me that the chord is nothing but inverted? Is it that simple?



Again, thank you very much for your effort!!! Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean to be rude, but please read my 2nd post
on the bottom I showed you the difference between the two, explained what Sus is, and even said what the 64 means :/


very short version
64 = 2nd inversion, 6(major 6th) is the interval distance from root note to the 3rd note of the chord.... rth (perfect 4th) is the interval distance from the root note to the 2nd note of the chord


Sus2 is a suspended chord which replaces the THIRD (2nd note) with a major 2nd (instead of a major 3rd or a minor 3rd{INTERVAL DISTANCES FROM ROOT NOTE TO 2ND NOTE OF THE TRIAD})

Sus 2 is 1 2 5
m64 5 1 b3
in this case, because it's minor the interval distance from root note to 3rd note, is a MINOR 6th.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alright thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so you get it? lol

seriously i'll try to explain it differently if you need
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so what's E2/6?

I know E2, but /6???

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itapa wrote:
ok so what's E2/6?

I know E2, but /6???



E2 is 1 2 5
E2/6 is 1 2 6
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, what note would be the bass? 6? or 1?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itapa wrote:
so, what note would be the bass? 6? or 1?



note the order

an E53 is 1 3 5
E 64 is 5 1 3
E2/6 1 2 6

root note is bass, omit the third, replace with major 2nd, omit the fifth replace with major 6th

EDIT:

Hm , looking it over again, because it E2 SLASH 6, you might be right, and the 6th is in the bass.

However, I never, ever encountered an E2/6 chord. Try it out, see what fits you best

E26 and E2/6 might be different where one is 1 2 6 and another is 6 1 2
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