Cheat Engine

Mokthraka · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: is packet editing illegal?

i want proof not just copy and paste i want things like links i dont think it is illegal since stuff is on your comp

dezuzi · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:06 am Post subject:

if you agree to packet edit you agree that:
-you are not afraid of having your house raided by police while you're spanking your monkey
-you are not afraid to being beaten up in an interrogation cell
-you are not afraid to bend over to pick up your soap

seriously, its not illigal to the point where you should fear your own safety.
thats why they just ban your account when they need to and dont send the big bad fbi on you

XxMaimxX · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject:

Packet Editing is NOT illegal to an EXTENT.

-You are editing Packets from YOUR computer, therefore you are not modifying anything from the source of the incoming packets

-The ONLY reason you can get fined or go to jail is if YOU EDIT SOMETHING THAT COSTS MONEY TO GET/HARM THE SERVER IN ANY WAY.

--Hope this clears things up, XxMaimxX.

--> 0m6 1337 h4x0r < · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

packet editting can be illegal cant it

XxMaimxX · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject:

Yes, if you HARM THEIR SERVER IN ANY WAY or HACK SOMETHING WHICH COSTS MONEY TO OBTAIN. -Example: Nx cash.

Labyrnth · Moderator Reputation: 10 Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 6301

Just put it like this. If you compromise a server or a personal machine you are with illegal intent. If you are sniffing packets on your own machine then it will be legal.

Im afraid to bend over and pick up the soap Laughing

Ibez · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

Packet editing is no more illegal than modifying your game client (Which is what you do with Cheate Engine.) Because either way, you're changing what it tells the server. The only legallity issues of that is if you somehow damage the server, which you wouldn't be able to anyway.

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kkid28 · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject:

No, packet editing is not illegal unless you damage the server/game or something. Also if you manage to packet edit to get something that costs money (ie Habbo money) that's considered real stealing.

So packet edit away! Just don't steal anything.

Labyrnth · Moderator Reputation: 10 Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 6301

If you packet edit and modify server data you are in the red simply because that is owned by the person/company's on their server.

^ That is illegal. Compromising any pc without permission
If yo do it on your own machine it is ok. If you do it across the internet it is not. And yes you do have to steal or modify data to be fined or jailed for it if your caught.
Take a look around on the internet of the numerous hackers who got caught.
Top of the line they compromised a machine without permission.
Look up some cyber laws. #1 Compromising a machine without permission.
No matter what they did to get jailed the end result is a machine was compromised without permission.

So to anyone if you think your safe by what you have heard others say, then go for it. I just look at what the law says as a whole. Any compromise of a machine not belonging to you or without permission from the owner, you are illegal.

Blizzard: thats a good example, look what happened to that group of game hackers.
In the whole view, they reversed the game client.
But.....the point is, they used packet sniffing to aid them to listen to the software's communications with a game server. It was used against them for the ruling.

They made a tool and blizzard said they copied pieces of their software to make it.

Game Hackers said:
"Our developers have not gotten their hands on Battle.net software," he said. "All they did was watch some packet traffic between a server and games."

Al-tho i dont agree with the outcome of this case, because they created the software, It was not blizzards code even tho it worked the same way and was coded to communicate differently. Sure they got packets to know how it worked. But then they coded it after they understood the operations of it, made it reroute the battlenet connection to be able to be used in private servers.
They didn't steal, or damage blizzards battle net server. Just made some tools.
So with packet editing you take your chances on the out come will be doing it.

Note there are a few more game companies filing simular lawsuits since this as well.

BRONiUS · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:

Of course it is illegal, but hell, you won't get fined or put into jail or something.

dezuzi · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject:

once i get on an mmorpg team im making them build a special prison just for people like you !! MWHAAHAHAHAHA!!

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