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Hassanity Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: Religion saving the world? |
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Okay so a bunch of you are haters and shit and are athiests. But don't you thin religion is actually saving the world? Like all of the top 10 causes of death are through stupidity and the people who cause those deathes usually don't follow religion. Religion (islamic beliefs as far as I know, I think christianity beliefs to) also tell you not to do these things, yet the people who do them are the ones causing death / dying.
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Waly Master Cheater
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have a feeling that this is going to turn out to be an argument, because the people that come here are so diverse in terms of religion and culture. People can claim to follow and practice a religion, but not abide to all of the religion's rules or restrictions. So, religion is intended to guide you to the right path, not walk you through it. That is a way to show faith of your religion to God (Allah).
Also, don't put down other people's beliefs...
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your beliefs are for you only, and what I believe is for I only.
You have your beliefs, and I have mine.
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MapleStory. Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Religion saving the world? |
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| Acquited wrote: | | Okay so a bunch of you are haters and shit and are athiests. But don't you thin religion is actually saving the world? Like all of the top 10 causes of death are through stupidity and the people who cause those deathes usually don't follow religion. Religion (islamic beliefs as far as I know, I think christianity beliefs to) also tell you not to do these things, yet the people who do them are the ones causing death / dying. |
Religion is the best thing ever. Without it, there would be utter chaos. People would live in the moment and not care if they steal or kill somebody because there would be no consequences. That's what I think.
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Waly Master Cheater
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Religion saving the world? |
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| V-3 wrote: | | Acquited wrote: | | Okay so a bunch of you are haters and shit and are athiests. But don't you thin religion is actually saving the world? Like all of the top 10 causes of death are through stupidity and the people who cause those deathes usually don't follow religion. Religion (islamic beliefs as far as I know, I think christianity beliefs to) also tell you not to do these things, yet the people who do them are the ones causing death / dying. |
Religion is the best thing ever. Without it, there would be utter chaos. People would live in the moment and not care if they steal or kill somebody because there would be no consequences. That's what I think. |
What you said makes sense, but let me say this.
If what you said was completely true, then why don't all Atheists go and blow something up? Even without religion, they still have virtue.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Religion does not equal morals. I know plenty of religious people that are terrible people.
Religion is the main reason behind all the conflict going on in the middle east right now.
Religion WILL be what ends the world.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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I beg to differ. Religion is the source to many problems in the world. Look at the middle east. They fucking want to kill each other because of religion. In Iraq the country has been reduced to Shia vs Sunni. In Ireland, *less than 10 years ago* the troubles killed thousands of people just because of differences in Catholicism and Protestant. In America, Neo-Naizs use the bible to justify their racist white supremacy beliefs. Also pissed off christains bomb abortion clinets.
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Waly Master Cheater
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| averageazn247 wrote: | | I beg to differ. Religion is the source to many problems in the world. Look at the middle east. They fucking want to kill each other because of religion. In Iraq the country has been reduced to Shia vs Sunni. In Ireland, *less than 10 years ago* the troubles killed thousands of people just because of differences in Catholicism and Protestant. In America, Neo-Naizs use the bible to justify their racist white supremacy beliefs. Also pissed off Christians bomb abortion clients. |
Everything you said is true, Averageazn, but it's not religion itself that causes most of the conflicts today; its the misconception of religion. All religions over time become weaker and weaker as it spreads. That is inevitable.
Also, I'm not sure how the bombing of abortion client's house is really tied to religion; can you explain it to me?
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AverageAzn247 Grandmaster Cheater
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| QuePasa wrote: | | averageazn247 wrote: | | I beg to differ. Religion is the source to many problems in the world. Look at the middle east. They fucking want to kill each other because of religion. In Iraq the country has been reduced to Shia vs Sunni. In Ireland, *less than 10 years ago* the troubles killed thousands of people just because of differences in Catholicism and Protestant. In America, Neo-Naizs use the bible to justify their racist white supremacy beliefs. Also pissed off Christians bomb abortion clients. |
Everything you said is true, Averageazn, but it's not religion itself that causes most of the conflicts today; its the misconception of religion. All religions over time become weaker and weaker as it spreads. That is inevitable.
Also, I'm not sure how the bombing of abortion client's house is really tied to religion; can you explain it to me? | Many radical christs believe that abortion is so wrong they attack or more commonly bomb places where abortions are preformed or the doctor's house.
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Waly Master Cheater
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I see. Thanks for telling me about that. But, just a few people doing things like that who call themselves believers of a religion cannot represent all of the followers of that religion; but the media or whatnot uses these things to stereotype religions (Like Islam=Terrorism).
See you guys later; I gotta sleep now.
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MapleStory. Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Religion saving the world? |
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| QuePasa wrote: | | V-3 wrote: | | Acquited wrote: | | Okay so a bunch of you are haters and shit and are athiests. But don't you thin religion is actually saving the world? Like all of the top 10 causes of death are through stupidity and the people who cause those deathes usually don't follow religion. Religion (islamic beliefs as far as I know, I think christianity beliefs to) also tell you not to do these things, yet the people who do them are the ones causing death / dying. |
Religion is the best thing ever. Without it, there would be utter chaos. People would live in the moment and not care if they steal or kill somebody because there would be no consequences. That's what I think. |
What you said makes sense, but let me say this.
If what you said was completely true, then why don't all Atheists go and blow something up? Even without religion, they still have virtue. |
True, but if you ask everyone in a prison what they believe, 9/10ths of them say that they are either athiest, believe God is 'out to get them,' or something of that persuasion.
Also, most athiests in America were raised Christian. They have Christian beliefs, they just don't believe in God. Karma and whatnot. I consider that a religion, or at least a lifestyle.
There's always the rest of 'em, the 20% or whatever who are athiest or something similar, the 20% of those who don't have a lifestyle choice (karma, lol!) then the rest are just so outnumbered they don't make a difference.
This is all based on majority, there are still crazy-ass Christians out there who bomb abortion clinics and do crazy shit like that, but there just aren't as many.
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[SPW]Jsin Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Religion starts wars.
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Karakawe I post too much
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| jsin95 wrote: | | Religion starts wars. |
Is the new "Religion-thread" stop codon.
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Watch it, fags.
You can find the movie easily as long as you are good at hunting the International Organization for Standardization.
Religion is a great thing, sometimes. It puts morality into a black and white context for those who are unable to realize that morality is a gray area with no supreme judge to issue some kind of standardized code of it around the world.
It also helps people cope. With death. With stress. With questions.
Religion is only great there.
Then come the fucking wars and stupidity that clergymen start. They use the Bible to preach things that are not even mentioned in the bible [things like Abortion, homosexuality and other shit.]. If any one of you are serious about your religion, read your fucking texts. You'll be surprised how much shit your local douchebag is making up.
TL;DR?
Good- Helps people cope with issues and have some more complicated ideas placed into a very simple context.
Bad- Wars, propaganda and the anal rape of young boys.
I'm an atheist. I do not reject your god, I am just standing on the default position. The default position should not be theist. At such a young age you are forced to think about things you've yet to give 3 fucks about. When you're a little older, decide.
Anyway, here is a nice little comic I've posted before on Atheists.
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Willy Master Cheater
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Religion doesn't start wars, God does.
Religion is supposed to spread morality. The bible and other holy books teaches people goodwill and keeps people in order. However, some idiot took it too far and made up the whole "God" crap. God is what started all the bad things that are associated with religion.
Religious wars happen because people believe God granted their people a certain area of land. They fight because they believe it's God's will. If the belief of God was not in any religion, there would not be any religious wars.
God is also what causes religion to be looked down upon. Seriously, now, anybody who believe that "an invisible man will set you on fire if you do bad things" is, to say the least, an idiot. The concept of God is what causes religious people to seem ignorant and retarded.
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Willy wrote: | | Seriously, now, anybody who believe that "an invisible man will set you on fire if you do bad things" is, to say the least, an idiot. | QFT
Religion was supposed to just unit people and keep them under control, but over many millennia, it has been corrupted into today's modern religions. They are more political bodies now than anything else.
The Christian Church is the single most powerful political party in existence today.
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