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I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO LEARN. Spawn told me he uses C# and I love him but KiKi is a diehard C++ fan and he is the best hacker here. What shall I learn for gamehacking?
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C++ would be better then C# for gamehacking.
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C++ for game hacking, or rather ASM if that is what you're looking for explicitly.
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| Spawnfestis wrote: | | C++ for game hacking, or rather ASM if that is what you're looking for explicitly. |
C# for XNA programming (Xbox 360 Game Programming)
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| C++, not only for game hacking.
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Caelestis
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: C++ or C#? |
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^^Ignore him, LOLCODE is useless
| iNcorrection wrote: | | I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO LEARN. Spawn told me he uses C# and I love him but KiKi is a diehard C++ fan and he is the best hacker here. What shall I learn for gamehacking? |
I've decided after 6 months the language I want to learn and that is C++
Reasons:
- I learned C for 3 weeks, then I started feeling that anything I could do in C, I could in C++ so I quit
- C++ is popular and you can find many libraries for it and you can ask for help and since everyone knows it, they can help you quickly.
- C# might be a good language, but it forces people to download the large .NET library (100MB+). This is not good at all!
- ASM is the least portable code of all. Every time the computer changes as in 32-bit to 64-bit or XP to Vista or Windows to Linux, you have to learn major parts all over again! C++ includes the inline __ASM function if you need the speed
- Most important C++ has many different perspectives to programming. It supports OOP style (like Java) which is useful for game programming. It supports procedural approaches which is the classic style like C. Whatever you want to program, it has the tools you need to make it efficiently. This is one of the reasons it is most popular, used by the industry.
- When C++ became standardized by ANSI and ISO it marked that C++ is a mature language. It has been around for 20 years and has withstood tests and trials.
- People use to complain about compilers when it was inefficient, but this has been resolved, and sometimes the compiled code is even faster than human ASM! (because it takes too long to make PERFECT ASM code)
VisualC++ (not different than C++ just a name) has a very good compiler that is free.
- Every other language is not good for hacking(VB, Python, Java) and delphi is not very popular.
- C++ is good in the industry, many people can hire you if you ever want to seek a job. (get certified first though)
- C++ can be used for hacking, and can be as low-level as you want it, to be as high-level as you want it.
I hope I helped and that I save you the time of searching unlike me.
I am currently learning JAVA (for business mainly and web apps and such) in school.
Learning C++ by myself, and I'm impressed at how natural it feels at coding it. Ask me if you have any problems.
Note: It's okay to learn 2 or more languages, but when you start to learn too many, you start to try to do things in one language that you couldn't in another and it will be frustrating keeping track of all the differences. You need good memory to learn many languages. Sometimes, it is pointless to learn a language because it is outdated or there is a better language that incorporate all it's features.
You might also want to distance yourself from this forum, there's not many experts willing to be respectful and help you nicely.
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| arigity wrote: | | C++ would be better then C# for gamehacking. |
Please, don't listen to this idiots advice.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: C++ or C#? |
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| Caelestis wrote: | | ^^Ignore him, LOLCODE is useless |
Yes, ignore him whenever he posts. It is not recommended that you listen to him.
I prefer C++, but its a matter of opinion as far as the question goes, they both have their ups and downs.
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| crayzbeef wrote: | | arigity wrote: | | C++ would be better then C# for gamehacking. |
Please listen to this excellent advice. |
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| arigity wrote: | | crayzbeef wrote: | | arigity wrote: | | C++ would be better than C# for gamehacking. |
Please listen to this excellent advice. |
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| arigity wrote: | | C++ would be better then C# for gamehacking. |
| Symbol wrote: | | C++, (is) not only for game hacking. |
| Spawnfestis wrote: | | C++ for game hacking, or rather ASM if that is what you're looking for explicitly. |
Yes it is, it is good at doing anything. ASM if you ONLY want to learn to hack. You might always want to learn how to do other things though.
C# is a good language too, but you have to download really large libraries as I said. Let's say C# is okay for just a hobby, but is slower than C++ and if you Mac or Linux you have to use Mono for .NET
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in terms of trainer making.
c# -> if u prefer an easier and better GUI design
c++ -> better in everthing except GUI making.
better support and multi-dimensional(can code in both win32 and .NET). easier coding for hacking purposes
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If the GUI is the only problem you should definetly choose C++... the GUI is only a small part, first make your programs work, then work on your GUI... besides, if you're having trouble with creating a GUI with Win32 APIs you could use resources.
| Caelestis wrote: | | Symbol wrote: | | C++, (is) not only for game hacking. |
Yes it is, it is good at doing anything. |
What I meant to say is, he should choose C++ anyway, regardless to whatever he's gonna do with it.
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| Symbol wrote: | If the GUI is the only problem you should definetly choose C++... the GUI is only a small part, first make your programs work, then work on your GUI... besides, if you're having trouble with creating a GUI with Win32 APIs you could use resources.
| Caelestis wrote: | | Symbol wrote: | | C++, (is) not only for game hacking. |
Yes it is, it is good at doing anything. |
What I meant to say is, he should choose C++ anyway, regardless to whatever he's gonna do with it. |
I'd say, learning any language will get you easier into the other (better?) you want to learn. Lets say you really like creating games, maybe you should try out flash before you go over to C# XNA, and then over to C++? Adapting languages after knowing the general programming is easy, I can write programs in any language exception of the (M/F, etc)ASM's, because its very different both in syntax and how it works.
But other than that, I would recommend getting to know the basics first, the ethics and how it works. The language itself doesn't matter until a few months when you got the hang of it.
Ah and, edit:
Don't be so fucking BIASED all the time, fucking twat. (Pointed towards symbol, of course, and all the other c++ huggers that does not know anything but game hacking solely.)
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