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Which Language is best?

Assembly

11%

[ 5 ]

Batch/DOS

[ 0 ]

C/C++

40%

[ 18 ]

[ 2 ]

Cobol

[ 0 ]

Delphi

18%

[ 8 ]

Java

[ 0 ]

Perl

[ 0 ]

Python

[ 1 ]

.NETs

[ 1 ]

Visual Basic (pick this one and die)

20%

[ 9 ]

Total Votes : 44

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SkatSkat
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject:

appalsap wrote:

SkatSkat wrote:

touche. but, if there is a much easier and simpler way for humans to understand something, why shouldn't it be used?

Because it isn't easier and simpler. Coding is easy when you can be sure you understand the machine and the machine understands you.

oh yes, because English is hard to understand for a person who speaks English. ASM is a lot harder to learn when you have no knowledge of programming IMO.
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HomerSexual
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:

learn c++ first. I started with win32 c++ and now that i'm working on asm i find things are much easier because it's the same basic skeleton. (for win32) _________________

appalsap
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:

SkatSkat wrote:

oh yes, because English is hard to understand for a person who speaks English.

Making a language overly verbose lets new users jump in quickly, but it makes everything worse for everyone else (veteran users, compiler builders...)

You must invest time in learning to program, as you would operate a vehicle.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject:

Assembly should be understood, not programmed in _________________ Don't laugh, I'm still learning photoshop!

SkatSkat
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject:

TheSorc3r3r wrote:

Assembly should be understood, not programmed in

i agreez with this nub ^^
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Flyte
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

TheSorc3r3r wrote:

Assembly should be understood, not programmed in

In kernel mode you need to use inline assembly for a lot of things. Assembly is a great language to learn and use. Even if you are just in user mode, you can use it to optimize code when you need it to run fast (bruteforcer).

detheater
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject:

meh, im learning delphi right now, it seems sort of easy..

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:15 am Post subject:

Flyte wrote:

TheSorc3r3r wrote:

Assembly should be understood, not programmed in

Actually, I've read a couple places that, contradictory to common belief, C++ can be just as fast (and in rare cases faster) than assembly.

Nowadays, assembly is just used to get down onto the hardware and stuff like that.

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:34 am Post subject:

samuri25404 wrote:

C++ is compiled into ASM, then assembled into an exe (after linking of course). C++ cannot be faster than ASM because it is made out of ASM.

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:03 am Post subject:

Randall Hyde wrote:

On any given machine, the fastest possible programs will be written in assembly laguage.

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:02 am Post subject:

Flyte wrote:

samuri25404 wrote:

C++ is compiled into ASM, then assembled into an exe (after linking of course). C++ cannot be faster than ASM because it is made out of ASM.

Certain code fragments, I meant.

Reak
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:03 am Post subject:

rofl TOO many votes for VB..

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:04 am Post subject:

rEakW0n wrote:

rofl TOO many votes for VB..

I agree. Probably all from the flash section

Flyte
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:45 am Post subject:

samuri25404 wrote:

Certain code fragments, I meant.

You still don't understand... Confused

Nothing can be faster than ASM as it is the building block for the other languages. You may be able to program in C++ faster, but the code won't be faster. It can only be as fast as the ASM underneath, and since the compiler won't do as good a job optimizing as a real person, it will be slower.

TheSorc3r3r
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:

Who cares if it's faster? =/ _________________ Don't laugh, I'm still learning photoshop!

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