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trueazn86
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 Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: [QUESTION] PACKET EDITING |
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| Is packet editing illegal ie. game gold or money, not the item shop or cash shop money. What packet are safe to edit and what are not safe?
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92Garfield
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: |
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depends on which game yu are gonna hack and where you live
you shouldnt do that in germany cause of ip logs
and you cant do it in wow or warcraft3 blizzard servers
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Psy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Its not just germany that have IP logs 
Every ISP and server will be able to record at least baseline info, it just depends on what stance they take to combat wierd stuff like this.
Besides, most packet editing attempts will be invisible amongst all the other traffic they have running between their server(s) and other clients.
You carry the risk...yes it can be illegal...the technicalities are unknown to me, search google 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's not illegal. AT ALL.
People think it's illegal because people are stupid and think it has to do with changing files on the server. ie hacking into the server forcefully. But it has nothing to do with that.
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Psy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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And halfprime you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
There is no definiate answer, it depends on the laws of where you live and the policies that the other parties have.
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Labyrnth
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| HalfPrime wrote: | No, it's not illegal. AT ALL.
People think it's illegal because people are stupid and think it has to do with changing files on the server. ie hacking into the server forcefully. But it has nothing to do with that. |
Correction, any game hacking is illegal if you compromise the server pc.
You most certainly do this with packets.
Also is illegal to write an application to simulate the way a server works to host a game after sniffing the packets and using the method to write, Such as, private server of WOW. They will sue you for making the game software available for illegal copies to be used for play.
Anything you do to infringe a copy write or machine intrusion is illegal.
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HalfPrime
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Packet editing is not "intrusion". You're sending information to the server. Just like what your game does, but you're doing it manually.
I live in America, so I'm just commenting about that. If you live in a communist country, maybe it's illegal there.
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Labyrnth
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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You really dont know what your talking about right now.
Try reading up some before you come with assumptions about what you think packet sniffing is or can be used for.
You can use it to gain access.
Lets dissect this a second. Maybe you will understand.
| HalfPrime wrote: | | Packet editing is not "intrusion". You're sending information to the server. Just like what your game does, but you're doing it manually. |
How about sending admin login information to the server if your smart enough to understand how a regular login works and edit the packet to make it think your a GM or Admin. Would put you right into the game as admin. You can then alter the games data base. Thus is illegal because you altered files on a remote machine, and is 100% intrusion.
Do we have a different view on how packets can be used now?
It doesn't have to be sent to the server the way the client application should be sending it.
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HalfPrime
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ugh, packet editing is sending packets, that's all. Sure, you can "hack teh server", but that is not what we're talking about here in this context. You are sending information to the server. That's it.
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Labyrnth
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| trueazn86 wrote: | | Is packet editing illegal ie. game gold or money, not the item shop or cash shop money. What packet are safe to edit and what are not safe? |
Your missing the point of the whole conversation.
The question what is illegal and whats not.
It has 2 answers.
1. Yes it can be if you meet certain criteria.
2. No if you don,t meet the criteria.
Thats all there is to it.
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HalfPrime
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When the term "packet editing" is used on this forum (by anyone who knows what it actually is), it always means sending info to the server to cheat. If someone's talking about hacking the server, then they says hacking the server.
trueazn86 was obviously talking about it in the game cheating sense.
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trueazn86
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what my plan is to try to packet editing my gold in the game, cuz regular CE dont work....but before doing that i wanna know if it will get me in big trouble if i get caught (w/ my luck  ), using CE it will only get you banned from the game, so i wanna know how serious it is to packet editing.
thank you on the knowledgable output from you guys...
i know hacking the game is illegal itself (sorry if my english is not that good)
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Psy
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Ok lets get this straight, packet editing 'can' be illegal, it can be very very illegal depending on where you are and what traffic you are altering.
And second, hacking the 'memory' on your 'own' PC is not illegal in any way whatsoever!!!
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Labyrnth
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| HalfPrime wrote: | When the term "packet editing" is used on this forum (by anyone who knows what it actually is), it always means sending info to the server to cheat. If someone's talking about hacking the server, then they says hacking the server.
trueazn86 was obviously talking about it in the game cheating sense. |
Thats what you think the term means.
In reality it is used to hack period. Not just games, and can you not call it cheating by doing exactly what i said and give yourself all the gold you want in a game,items etc. Thus have successfully cheated illegally.
You keep repeating your self by saying all it does is "sends info to the server". Anyone that knows how to use packets realizes that and you saying it is pointless because thats a given, when altering packets and setting filters.
The answer to the question is still exactly what i said. He wanted to know whats illegal and whats not. It all depends on how you cheated the game. It still has 2 answers, yes and no. You seem to keep coming with no substance to your debate about packeting.
In the first older SVN version of Ragnarök Online Private Server you could send packets to the server as a GM and do the cmds as a normal player.
If this was a legit server instead of private that would be illegal because you can alter the games database files using GM99 account. But since the private server is illegal, you could do this and not get in trouble. Who was going to report it? The host, i doubt it since he was illegal. That was done to cheat at the game, giving yourself Zeny,items etc...
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@trueazn86:
There is always a risk hacking something. There are grey areas in numerous situations.
If you are using packets, you can possibly get in trouble. There are instances of people getting into trouble all from using packets. Altho the lawyers of the plaintiff worked their point in court to fit other crimes to get a settlement.
Personally i would use packets to cheat, but not try and gain access directly. I guarantee you there are others using packets to look for cheats in the game you are wanting to. So go and do it with the rest of the hundreds already trying. Just to normal cheat like send a packet back of you receiving and item from a npc or something. And if you can send it a few times and get it over and over. Then sell it and gain gold. You just have too look around and try things out. your not going to send a packet to directly alter gold im sure. But as far as finding a work around like exploiting items and such you can get rich. All games work differently, so reading some packeting tutorials are just methods to try.
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