"We are going to win therefore what we say is true"
Well isn't that what it means to win? His policies and his vision will be applied. Sanders wont.
Yea, good thing Hitler won the German federal election in 1932, oh and Bush in 2001. Clearly the winners of political games are true visionaries for prosperity of all people
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject:
konr wrote:
Antagonist wrote:
konr wrote:
"We are going to win therefore what we say is true"
Well isn't that what it means to win? His policies and his vision will be applied. Sanders wont.
If Hitler managed to get into power does that mean that his policies are something that you agree with just because he won?
Personally no. But that's what the people at the time wanted and agreed to.
But we're not talking about Hitler because he was a different person at a different time.
You're using the analogy and framing it to Trumps image because it's convenient. Which is false since he is no where to Hitler. What the people want (this is a democracy after all) is a Trump presidency. And they want his visions and his policies.
What I'm saying is Sanders idealistic and unrealistic vision won't even be applied when he can't win. I guess it will be more apparent after the nomination. I don't even talk about these kinda things not until who gets the nomination on either side. Right now anything can happen. I'm just basing my reasoning off of Trump increasing likelihood of securing the nomination. Polls don't mean anything until around September anyways. At least Trump knows that.
Channel GannoK wrote:
Antagonist wrote:
konr wrote:
"We are going to win therefore what we say is true"
Well isn't that what it means to win? His policies and his vision will be applied. Sanders wont.
Yea, good thing Hitler won the German federal election in 1932, oh and Bush in 2001. Clearly the winners of political games are true visionaries for prosperity of all people
Kyle you're just salty that Sanders hasn't won shit. Come back when you have something to back up. Funny that you talk tough. But everytime you challenge me. You're always wrong and I always beat you. 100% of the time. In every aspects. I always beat you. There hasn't been one single thing you said that you have won over me. _________________
"We are going to win therefore what we say is true"
Well isn't that what it means to win? His policies and his vision will be applied. Sanders wont.
If Hitler managed to get into power does that mean that his policies are something that you agree with just because he won?
Personally no. But that's what the people at the time wanted and agreed to.
But we're not talking about Hitler because he was a different person at a different time.
You're using the analogy and framing it to Trumps image because it's convenient. Which is false since he is no where to Hitler. What the people want (this is a democracy after all) is a Trump presidency. And they want his visions and his policies.
What I'm saying is Sanders idealistic and unrealistic vision won't even be applied when he can't win. I guess it will be more apparent after the nomination. I don't even talk about these kinda things not until who gets the nomination on either side. Right now anything can happen. I'm just basing my reasoning off of Trump increasing likelihood of securing the nomination. Polls don't mean anything until around September anyways. At least Trump knows that.
Well yea, it sure is convenient. You're right about that LMAO.
So when it's Mexicans and Muslims as a whole, it's OK to generalize and blame entire groups of people. Condemn them and deport them, they aren't even worth thinking about. Families of terrorists who aren't involved in the war? Kill them, we aren't fighting a politically correct war. Torture? He's gonna bring it back better than ever, with stuff worse than we are already doing!
Condemning the KKK and white supremacy though, ehhhhh. That's something Trump has to think long and hard about, he doesn't know enough about them.
Trump's a real winner alright! If you need more evidence that Trump is basically a white Nationalist I can keep the flood of things Trump has been saying coming in, I am beginning to think I have more knowledge on Trump than you do, his personal cocksucker.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:19 pm Post subject:
Man you're so delusional and hard pressed that it's really like talking to a wall.
You talk about how it's not good to generalize. Yet you just generalized his plans. I won't even explain his plans on ILLEGAL immigrants and REFUGEES. Since I've already explained it extremely coherently in previous threads. But then you judge me of not understanding facts and only in a selective basis. Full of hypocracy.
But I dint expect you to understand. You've been inaccurate in everything about politics and how the country is run. And you still keep trying to challenge me and act like you're smarter than me. You've got nothing to show for kid.
Anyways he's winning and Sanders is losing. So eh. Not like anything you say matter. _________________
Man you're so delusional and hard pressed that it's really like talking to a wall.
You talk about how it's not good to generalize. Yet you just generalized his plans. I won't even explain his plans on ILLEGAL immigrants and REFUGEES. Since I've already explained it extremely coherently in previous threads. But then you judge me of not understanding facts and only in a selective basis. Full of hypocracy.
But I dint expect you to understand. You've been inaccurate in everything about politics and how the country is run. And you still keep trying to challenge me and act like you're smarter than me. You've got nothing to show for kid.
Not only do you fail to spell, you fail to argue a point. Also it's pretty funny of you to making a wall reference, considering your candidate and all. Talking to Trump supporters is more like trying to talk to a wall.
You haven't explained shit about him or his policies, all you do is ride his dick because it's convenient because he's up in the polls. What argument are you making here? That I am generalizing? What have I generalized? I took Donald Trumps words that he spoke himself and analyzed it under comedic light, and you think that's generalizing?
You say I am inaccurate but you don't even provide why. all you're doing is saying "WAH, You have actual moral values, along with substantive and nuanced opinions on issues that matter." That's literally what you are whining about, while claiming the high ground of being correct on every political issue over me. YOU DON'T EVEN PROVIDE THE ARGUMENT WHY AND HOW. You say you have "coherently" in previous threads(a lie, go figure. Stay classy), but if it's that easy to dismantle my arguments, then do it now since you are oh so clearly right about everything in American politics.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject:
Umm... I've provide many posts analyzing his policies and why it makes the most sense... you just don't read them and if you don't it doesn't really matter because like I said. You don't matter and what you say don't matter. But I've clearly made many post here explaining his positions in great details.
This is the thing about delusional sanders supporters. They can't win in anything so what they do is reframe someone or someone's point into something else. Like my spelling. How is that relevant? I'm on my mobile. I got shit to do. I don't sit in the basement and mine bitcoins all day buddy.
When your candidate actually start winning Kyle is when your arguments become relevant but at this time. There's no point arguing to a loser. Because losers like in real life - and you'll learn this quickly. Have no say in anything. _________________
Umm... I've provide many posts analyzing his policies and why it makes the most sense... you just don't read them and if you don't it doesn't really matter because like I said. You don't matter and what you say don't matter. But I've clearly made many post here explaining his positions in great details.
This is the thing about delusional sanders supporters. They can't win in anything so what they do is reframe someone or someone's point into something else. Like my spelling. How is that relevant? I'm on my mobile. I got shit to do. I don't sit in the basement and mine bitcoins all day buddy.
When your candidate actually start winning Kyle is when your arguments become relevant but at this time. There's no point arguing to a loser. Because losers like in real life - and you'll learn this quickly. Have no say in anything.
Only a true master in debate gymnastics can make the same invalid point and get away with it, but you are no master. You fail to make a point now, and you have always failed to make a point.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:53 pm Post subject:
No you fail to read. Like I said. I've made many valid and intelligent discussions on his policies here but you ignore it. So why should I bother? You can pretend to be smart. I've met many smart people. Some are incredibly intelligent but still are no where in life. This world is for the pragmatist bud. Not for the idealist. Not for the smart people but for the people that produce. Get used to living this way because from what I can tell. All you've been doing is making commentaries about other politicians. Saying how shit they are. Trying to prove your intellectual dominance. But guess what? They're there and you're here. Time for a wake up call. You haven't done anything in your life to deserve a voice. You are essentially a loser who have so much to say but nothing to show. Absolutely nothing to show and he talks so big. _________________
No you fail to read. Like I said. I've made many valid and intelligent discussions on his policies here but you ignore it. So why should I bother? You can pretend to be smart. I've met many smart people. Some are incredibly intelligent but still are no where in life. This world is for the pragmatist bud. Not for the idealist. Not for the smart people but for the people that produce. Get used to living this way because from what I can tell. All you've been doing is making commentaries about other politicians. Saying how shit they are. Trying to prove your intellectual dominance. But guess what? They're there and you're here. Time for a wake up call. You haven't done anything in your life to deserve a voice. You are essentially a loser who have so much to say but nothing to show. Absolutely nothing to show and he talks so big.
You don't even follow me or anything that I do outside of this forum, what do you know of what I am doing? I am being serious, what do you know? Of course you don't know anything but that won't stop you from pretending that you do. I don't know shit about what you actually do with your life, and I'd rather keep it that way because to put it bluntly, I don't give a fuck because you're just another fucking moron on the internet, who likes gives me attention even though I subscribe to different(morally objective and right) ideas.
You're using some deviation of the no true Scotsman fallacy, claiming to know everything about me and my position, attempting to use your platform of ignorance to discredit me and paint me as someone who doesn't know anything.
I'd love to hear you try and describe what I am like IRL without using political buzzwords. I know you can't since it's basically embedded into your brain as a republican, but I'd like to see you try nonetheless. If not to see how little you actually know about me, but to laugh at the fact that you have derailed yet another thread and I have nothing better to discuss than me right now.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject:
Oh I've got lots of things I can discuss and debate because I have a wide variety of both experience and knowledge in multiple real life scenerios. I've discussed them with other users here since we actually discuss and debate. You on the other hand can't talk about anything without being shut down. It's foolish of you not to see this pattern. Really foolish. I mean everyone just based on the sample size of this forum - you always get into meaningless arguments without having any clarity in what you talk about. Yet other users are able to discuss openly and productively. You're really the only user here that's incapable of doing that.
I already have a good idea of your current positions simply from the mentality that you express here which is colored with naiveness and lack of real world view. You aren't practical with what you say and you aren't reasonable with your proposals. You like to fantasize about solutions without knowing the intricacies of the social or political problem you're trying to solve. For example. In another thread, you boldly claim to know and show solution on how to fix education base on your individual experience. But fail to identify that individual experience does not equate to a practical and global solution. You read about how things work but you don't have a clear and practical knowledge of things working because you think reading about is the same as being in the mud.
The difference with my proposals and what I say is that I have not only read it but I have also done it. I have theoretical and practical knowledge of what I talk about.
Now look. I give you credit because I'm a fair person. At least you have cognitive and analytical skills but you have such a oblivious and naive philosophy. But you have such a big ego that you think you know more than people. Admit it. You claim I'm some sort of self centered, attention seeking, egotistical attitude but you clearly show this - more than me. I at least am able to sort differences with people in this forum and people in real life. Because I've been in leadership positions before.
This is just the tip of it. But I know how you are in real life based on the language, mindset, philosophy, attitude that you express here. _________________
thank you again for taking this thread even further in it's derailment. Please continue with your ego stroking, I am starting to become amused and interested in what you have to say
thank you again for taking this thread even further in it's derailment. Please continue with your ego stroking, I am starting to become amused and interested in what you have to say
thank you again for taking this thread even further in it's derailment. Please continue with your ego stroking, I am starting to become amused and interested in what you have to say
I may even get in on this ego circlejerk myself
Such a copout dude you just asked him to explain.
I didn't copout on anything, I told him to retort to me what he knows about me, and all he could muster is generalized things anyone can say about someone they don't like. I have "oblivious and naive philosophy" when that is completely unbased, and has no merit or point to go along with it. After that it's just pure ego stroking in an attempt to make himself sound better than me, when really nothing of quality was added to the conversation.
According to Antagonist, experience and having well thought out ideas isn't enough to help fix a problem. According to him, I boldly claim to know and show solutions on how to fix public education based on my individual experience, with the assumption of doubt on his part.
here is a literal quote on the thread he mentioned.
Channel GannoK wrote:
When I made my post, I mean everything that encompasses American public education. there's a lot of problems. a lot of it comes down to funding and how things are funded, and the staff itself being shitty or corrupt, making things politicized.
When I was in my senior year in high school, my school shut down a bunch of elective courses from a wide range, like wood and auto shop, all the language courses, the majority of music classes, and they began firing some teachers so they could afford the multi-million dollar turf football field from Nike they had been negotiating. It's shit like that which ruins the public education system for everyone else who are taxpayers and aren't on the varsity football team. That's something I witnessed happen at my school. One of the best ways to ensure you might be able to personally make a better education system is to get to know the administration and hold them accountable, because in the end they are the ones educating your kid or whatever.
college is totally different though, people will learn whatever the fuck they want to learn there, whether it's gender studies or something practical in the STEM field. What is the most important though is that universities actually begin to give the information students need and require for classes for free, rather than having to pay for shit out of pocket. One of my English classes had a list of books that were "required" in the syllabus, so I went to the book store and I bought them. Turns out at by the end of the class, we had only read maybe half of them and the rest were then considered extracurricular and as an aid. When you are having to pay hundreds of dollars, that is basically overhead, for books you don't even read, college is getting ridiculously more expensive than it should be. This happens all the time to students, and on purpose so that they can continue to milk money from them.
Going to a public university shouldn't be about how much money you need to spend to attend if you qualify, it should be about learning the material required to graduate and moving on with your life. As of right now, it's far too expensive to make the case that education isn't a business and monopolizing the education of our future
When you compare the public education systems of each country today, you consistently find countries like Finland, Denmark, South Korea, Germany, and more all having better education systems than America, you realize that we need to make a dramatic change if we want our future workforce to be relevant in the global economy of the future. If we don't have more educated folks, and other people creating jobs for them to hold, we are going to have an underemployed, uneducated, and under experienced workforce doomed to failure, essentially forcing our jobs to remain overseas as they currently are.
Apparently, actually getting involved with our children's education is a bold move. Damn liberals!
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:35 am Post subject:
Lol that wasn't you providing a solution in that quote, that was just you making an individual observation which you translated to the proposed solution
Channel GannoK wrote:
The start to solving our problems is making college free. After that it's convincing all the fucking retarded social marxists on campus to stop going into women's studies and trying to police language, it' provides nothing.
Without any consideration to consequences to the proposed solution no data, essentially nothing concrete. What you're basically saying is, let's wave a magic fucking wand and everyone will be happy.
How will making college free be a viable choice?
What is the cost to this?
Where will this money come from?
What are the positive and negative consequences?
How will this affect graduation rate?
How will this affect employment rate?
How will this increase job market?
How do we know the money invested to this solution will be paid back?
How will it be paid back? If the gov is supposed to pay for this, they have to earn back the money one way or another. You just cant spend billions to trillions of dollars on a sector and not get a return on your money that you invest.
What are the key factors we need to assess?
and dozens more questions to be answered. You didn't even provide any known relative facts that draws you that proposal.
Your little sob story isnt even relevant to your proposal.
I'd be laughed out of the fucking room if I were to propose this type of solution to investors.
One of my hobbies is reviewing private equity case studies. I read case studies of real estate development projects from around the world and analyze the deal. The financial models. Create debt draws, equity draws, etc.
I do this because it prepares me to pitch proposals to investors/private equity firms on viability of a development project that I would want to pursue in the future.
Id have to answer questions like:
Would you recommend funding the development of X? Why or why not?
• How feasible does the deal look in more optimistic and more pessimistic cases, and which scenario do you think is most likely?
• What would change your mind about the deal and make it more feasible (if you’re against the deal) or less feasible (if you’re for the deal)?
• What are the key risk factors, and how could you mitigate them? What additional data or analysis might you be able to use to reduce these risks?
• What additional information would you request from the developers and architects to better guide your investment decision?
I'd have to provide an analysis of the current market data and trends of the location I'm at such as
-Current population and growth
-Median income of location
-Home prices and appreciation rates
-Economic growth
-Inflation
This financial model shows debt, project cost, where money is going to come from, how debt will be paid over the fiscal years with calculated interest, etc. etc. etc. information that MATTERS to what you're trying to propose.
This just the fraction of it.
Yet you talk about obscure irrelevant basis with no practical facts, no practical solution, no practical sources.
This is why I call you naive. There's nothing here. Just a bunch of assumptions pulled out of your ass. _________________
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