Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject:
REFUGEES (non-US citizens)
Yeah and my argument was far across from fascism. You anchored your whole thoughts to one insignificant part of my argument. He doesnt want MUSLIMS from coming in AND out of the country. He wants refugees ESPECIALLY (not SPECIFICALLY) Muslms from coming IN to the U.S, TEMPORARILY. KEYWORD TEMPORARILY. And you talk about these guys as if they are our obligation. They are not our obligation. They are not here to become US citizens. Why do they wanna come here to permanently stay? The Quran actually discourages Muslims to live in a non-muslim country. US is not a muslim country. The Quran also says that Muslims have the obligations to help their fellow brothers and sisters. Which are plenty in the middle east that are NOT helping. The president of the U.S is supposed to protect AMERICANS and NOT refugee Muslims (who are no U.S citizens). You again are twisting and putting words. He is not saying US Citizen Muslims are banned. He is not banning any U.S citizens. He is speaking to non-US citizen Muslims aka the refugees. Which he has no obligations to protect while many of the countries in the middle east actually HAVE the obligations to protect. Then we got a step further. He did not say that we just leave them to die. He said we should protect them and create a safe zone for them in SYRIA not in the U.S where the AMERICAN people live and allowing them here which is thousands of miles away from their home ACROSS THE FUCKING OCEAN to potentially harm OUR people. He did not say ALL of them were terrorist. If even ONE person of the hundred thousands that we bring in is ISIS. that is unacceptable.
Explain to me how that is fascist? How is this against the interest of the Americans? The U.S citizens. How is this destroying the liberty of Americans?
DEPORTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
How is this fascist? How is this against the interest of AMERICAN PEOPLE? US CITIZENS? ILLEGAL immigrants are not AMERICANS. They are not US CITIZENS. So how is this fascist? How is this taking away the liberty of the american people?
How is Trump militaristic? He is not applying militaristic actions against US citizens. Only against NON-US CITIZENS. He wants to rebuild our military for security - not to be a bully to other countries.
How does implementing more tools to NSA = more spying on us? Why do you think they are doing an ineffective job? Have you thought that he might want to change the way the NSA is handling the job? Why does it directly mean that they're going to increase spying on us? He hasn't even laid out his plans on that? Did he say he's going to increase spying on the U.S citizens?
There. I completely dismembered your false and weak arguments about why Trump is a fascist. I don't even think you know what that word means.
So we don't react to Iran mocking us? You're going to let the world make the fool out of us? You're going to let them walk all over us? You going to let our president wait 2 hours for Putin for a meeting? You're going to let Russian bypassing our warnings? U.S told Russians not to intervene. They intervened. And we just stood there. Like WELP WE DID OUR BEST. That does not show weakness? If I threw a fucking pizza at your face. You're going to stand there and take it. That means you're stronger mentally? If apparently that not doing shit means you're stronger. Then why do you keep replying to my insults to you?
Let's play a game CEF. Which insignificant sentence is Kyle going to focus on next while ignoring the rest of my accurate and strong arguments? Which part is he going to twist and put words into my mouth? First one that can predict it gets a +rep
EDIT: My prediction, Kyle is going to look at the video and see that it's from Fox news and totally anchor his next entire argument on that instead of the content Trump is saying.
2nd edit: I sometimes have to edit my post to make my statements clear and precise because Kyle is really good at taking something out of context and fabricating it, putting words into it, and twisting it. _________________
I don't care what you have to say anymore, you're a fucking moron for defending the biggest douche in recent American history, I can't be fucked to lay out the facts as straight as possible anymore, you're just gonna ignore it. That's what Republicans do best.
all your ignorant blabbering and giant wall of text aside, here's more alex jones
He thinks Obama killed Antonin Scalia, and now he's after Donald Trump.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:23 pm Post subject:
Channel GannoK wrote:
I don't care what you have to say anymore, you're a fucking moron for defending the biggest douche in recent American history, I can't be fucked to lay out the facts as straight as possible anymore, you're just gonna ignore it. That's what Republicans do best.
all your ignorant blabbering and giant wall of text aside, here's more alex jones
He thinks Obama killed Antonin Scalia, and now he's after Donald Trump.
The top comment can't even get Antonin's name right, and they believe that Obama murdered him.
Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones are the best comedy material
See this guys? Kyle totally just ignored all the facts and my argument. He couldn't answer any of my questions or refute it cos he has no basis. The best he could come up with is "defending the biggest douche". I'd rather have a smart, competent, strong, douche with an incredible track records who fixes things and gets things done as our leader than a weak communist who can't even defend his mic. Might I add that he has done NOTHING. Absolutely nothing significant in all his years of being a senator. That shows he is the competent leader we need to fix the absolute mess we are in.
He claims he has facts
Quote:
I can't be fucked to lay out the facts as straight as possible anymore, you're just gonna ignore it
But where are his facts? Please someone other than Kyle point it out to me in his arguments the facts that supports his claims that:
Trump is a fascist
Trump is a warmonger
Trump is stupid
Trump is anti-freedom
Trump is not for the best interest of americans
These are the things that Kyle has claimed against Trump and so far I have refuted all of them with strong points and strong supporting details and sources. And I did not manipulate my sources either.
That Trump wants to build our military so that he can turn this country into fascism and being a warmonger as oppose to what he specifically have said to make our country safe and secure.
Please someone else, point out where I was biased and weak in my arguments. I encourage any of you guys who have called me stupid to point it out. Because Kyle seemingly cannot.
Instead he resorts to the same trap he always goes to when he loses:
-Republicans are stupid
-You're stupid
-You're a republican so you're stupid
-You're ignorant
-Republicans destroyed this country
-If you support Trump you're stupid
-Sanders is the only option
-You guys are retards
Then guess what he does. He points out something else that's totally NON-RELATED to the argument to make it seem like he's the sane and logical one. Then he twists and puts words into people's mouths like he always does thinking that because I'm republican means that I support EVERY republican and that I think EVERYTHING the republicans do make sense.
Tell me Im not crazy here or does Kyle sound delusional? _________________
I don't care what you have to say anymore, you're a fucking moron for defending the biggest douche in recent American history, I can't be fucked to lay out the facts as straight as possible anymore, you're just gonna ignore it. That's what Republicans do best.
all your ignorant blabbering and giant wall of text aside, here's more alex jones
He thinks Obama killed Antonin Scalia, and now he's after Donald Trump.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:57 pm Post subject:
This is now the Kyle got schlonged thread and reality hasn't hit how incompetent and retarded he is.
Starting with
Channel GannoK wrote:
lol the moment I stop caring, he goes full try hard mode and makes another huge wall of text no one gives a fuck about.
Channel GannoK wrote:
Bernie's top issue is getting money out of politics, something NO OTHER POLITICIAN is behind him on. He is literally the only option.
Channel GannoK wrote:
WE are the millennials, it's up to people like you and me to get people our age to vote. I've been literally spreading the gospel since he announced his candidacy. He's our last chance at real democracy for the future, no other candidate is as hard on income inequality and campaign finance reform as much as Bernie. Without his proposals being implemented, our political system will continue to be corrupt
I love how you guys just keep saying you don't even care and there's no point in arguing with one another. But then you keep arguing with each-other. It's not even a debate, it's just childish bickering.
If I was deciding my vote based on what both of you guys have to say, I wouldn't vote for either of your candidates... _________________
I love how guys just keep saying you don't even care and there's no point in arguing. But then you keep arguing. It's not even a debate, it's just childish banter.
If I was deciding my vote based on what both of you guys have to say, I wouldn't vote for either of your candidates...
That's ok because I know you're not basing it off this conversation. I know you're going to use your brain and actually look at these candidates planned policy and talking points, something educated people do.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject:
konr wrote:
"who can't even defend his mic"
wow better not get him in as a president if he as an old man doesn't punch a bitch in the face for a fucking microphone
jesus christ
Here's an interesting observation
You see it's actually really funny. Some of you guys claim to be this intelligent level headed people in CEF. The way some of you guys handle yourself in this board. The way I see many of the people here act. You guys act like this logical being who can construct perfect arguments and perfect refutes. I've only really seen this type of behavior in CEF. Never have I seen people hold themselves in this type of manner anywhere. It seems to be very unique here. But I already know that it's very opposite because I actually study things like this in business. Things such as decisions making, biases, emotions, psychology, etc. These are all under the marketing umbrella or behavioral economics.
No one here are logical intelligent people that some of you claim out to be.
Another amusing thing is, I actually said things like
Quote:
I'd rather have a smart, competent, strong, douche with an incredible track records who fixes things and gets things done as our leader than a weak communist who can't even defend his mic.
or
Quote:
Might I add that he has done NOTHING. Absolutely nothing significant in all his years of being a senator.
On purpose to see if anybody would react to that. Because if you notice thats one of the few sentences that I said (out of my entire argument) to claim that has very high emotions behind it - especially to strong Bernie supporters or even people who have strong emotions against me. If I were a logical person and I believe these 2 statements I've said and I've added other statements throughout my arguments too that are similar to this. But if I were being logical about this, I'd have constructed these 2 sentences much differently and sound non-biased. To people who aren't level headed seeing this type of sentence stick out like a sore thumb.
Why do I know this? 2 data actually.
1.) That was the only thing that caught your eye.
That was actually one of the few sentences I made in all of my arguments that has high emotions behind the sentences. The other statements I've made were infused with only logical refutes against Kyle's claim. That's what I noticed too that people here mainly only reply to sentences that have the highest emotions (not the sentences that are the most logical).
Ex 1:
asciicat wrote:
You really just turned into an insufferable faggot.
The entire basis of Sanders's campaign is about giving things away for free. It does not work. A $15/hour minimum wage will lead to less jobs - what employer will want to higher more people while being required to pay them more? Almost none, I guarantee it.
I cut out the main source that asciicat used. But check this out: One sentence - that is also insignificant to the argument that he made. Non-relative.
Then Kyle bases his next entire argument and paragraph to this one sentence that didn't matter to discussion.
Channel GannoK wrote:
You made one post just to call me an insufferable faggot? You haven't been part of this discussion for as long as we've been having it. I guarantee you don't even know his entire plan. Who do you think is better than him? Some Warhawk fascist on the Republican side? Are wars free stuff? Grow the fuck up and realize that they are all bad except for Bernie, at least before you get on my shitlist.
Kyle using a high maneuver to make his case stronger -
Channel GannoK wrote:
if you don't want to be a fucking fool, you'd answer all of these points, but you're probably just going to resort to calling me a hippy or something again like it means I'm wrong lmao.
But then I actually answered all of his points in what I think is a fairly balanced argument.
Then guess what happens? I wrote 1 sentence about fascism. 4 words. Completely ignores all of my points and base his next entire argument and paragraphs with this one sentence that's insignificant to the discussions.
There's more evidence suggesting this guys. Not just from Kyle but from other people in here too.
The other data... well you can find that anywhere if you keep your eye out for it. You guys can look back at discussions on a different topic (not politics). Topics that are aren't high emotions filled like politics or even climate change etc. You'll see that it would sounds more like a civilized discussion. If someone was wrong about something you'd see another poster correct that statement in a (logical) manner. And you'd only see things get heated when one person has strong emotions against another person. Or you can find this anywhere else outside of CEF.
So Brolock. Things like these are reason why I dislike discussing with people here. They don't show any competency. I mean really I can go on and on forever if somebody paid me. I'll do a whole case study with the entire CEF database. You even learn an intro of this in AP literature in high school. These are human flaws that marketers and people like me exploit to get people to buy things.
@up2admin to answer your statement. If you deduct your own critical thinking based off of what I said, you'll understand why merely letting his mic go is a terrible move - even though it's insignificant to his whole entire logical and crafted campaign. See what I did there?
Actually you don't even have to form your own conclusion. There's already a wild heated discussion about it on the internet.
EDIT: Make good observation on what Kyle or any other person that dislikes me here what they're going to say next. I made a logical point and case. With evidence, might I add. So let's see if somebody actually replies to this "logically".
Oh yeah I forgot, people call what I just showed in my post cognitive dissonance. If you are interested in learning this just study business/marketing/psychology/etc. _________________
I don't dislike you mate I don't even know you. You just sometimes say some really dumb shit. You also occasionally say some intelligent shit but lately you seem to be leaning towards the dumb shit a bit more often. You're reading far too much into my response being focused on one thing. I'm just very lazy. Keep insulting my intelligence for little to no reason I suppose, it isn't making your argument any stronger. Especially not when you say I'm saying I'm level headed or some shit (citations please?) when I'm not really saying anything. You're not twisting words, you're adding them.
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject:
konr wrote:
I don't dislike you mate I don't even know you. You just sometimes say some really dumb shit. You also occasionally say some intelligent shit but lately you seem to be leaning towards the dumb shit a bit more often. You're reading far too much into my response being focused on one thing. I'm just very lazy. Keep insulting my intelligence for little to no reason I suppose, it isn't making your argument any stronger. Especially not when you say I'm saying I'm level headed or some shit (citations please?) when I'm not really saying anything. You're not twisting words, you're adding them.
I'm not saying that you claim to be level headed. I didn't even mean to specifically direct it at you. I only quoted you because it was most convenient and was related to the point I was making. I could have quoted Up2Admin. Because your post that responded to my post about Sanders couldnt defend his mic means he can't be president. Yeah obviously that statement alone is illogical. Because I didn't construct it correctly with deductive reasoning. I wanted to see if anybody were to point that out instead of the many other things I've said that were insightful. If I were making an insightful discussion about why Sanders leaving his mic might have been a bad move for him as a presidential candidate. That would have been a different story - and yes actually during that time when he did it. It affected his results. These are things that people as a mass pay attention to because people as masses are emotional people. Even though it has nothing to do with the agenda Sander talks about. Completely insignificant. Like the time at the 1st debate where Sanders dismissed Hillary clinton's email. Many people saw that negatively and it affected him. I'm not insulting your intelligence more than I'm insulting Kyle for continuously saying I'm stupid, I can't make arguments, etc., etc. and the list goes on. And my post above didn't call out anybody besides Kyle really. What I mentioned in my post above is normal. Everyone has cognitive dissonances and biases. I do too. It just happens that Kyle does it more on a consistent basis and in every argument its apparent. Why I can't argue with the fool. More so on defending myself than anything really. _________________
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