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Kurifodo
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments!
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This should say everything about a Bernie presidency:
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Antagonist
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| Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited.
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AverageAzn247
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| Antagonist wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited. |
ifffy. i do think community colleges should be free though. Those provide alot more job orientated courses than the major 4 year unis
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Kurifodo
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| Antagonist wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited. |
Wait, easy paycheck? Dude, have you ever worked a minimum wage job (or even just seen someone doing it)? It's absolutely the opposite of an "easy paycheck"...
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| Up2Admin wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited. |
Wait, easy paycheck? Dude, have you ever worked a minimum wage job (or even just seen someone doing it)? It's absolutely the opposite of an "easy paycheck"... |
its easy because literally anyone can do it. so easy a mexican can do it.
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Antagonist
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Up2Admin wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited. |
Wait, easy paycheck? Dude, have you ever worked a minimum wage job (or even just seen someone doing it)? It's absolutely the opposite of an "easy paycheck"... |
Try being on 100% commission and tell me what's an easy paycheck
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| Antagonist wrote: | | Up2Admin wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | Clifford wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Antagonist wrote: | | I wasn't trying to say that these people should starve and die. Im saying that as much as majority of people don't like to hear it. It's not businesses and corporations jobs to provide these guys with food. Their only responsibility is to provide a service to the majority. Some of these guys find loopholes but as far as Im concerned majority of them are not unethical like the foodstamp loophole you mentioned. Companies will find whatever ways they can to pay as little taxes as they can pay as little as they can to employees just to lower their overheads and maximize profits. Here's the thing that will bite the most. That's not wrong. Only and simply because that's not their job. Again, their job is solely to provide a service to the majority. I don't think any savvy business man would want to pay more in taxes or pay for any extra cost that would be detrimental to their success. As a matter of fact no intelligent human beings would want to. There's many factors as to why, but thats not the argument. But again, that's not wrong. If the people are starving and dying and can't live. That's not the corporations fault. Thats the governments fault. Because why do businesses exist? To provide a service. Why do governments exist? To govern... |
I agree, so the government needs to raise the minimum wage, because it is what needs to be done and we can't count on corporations to do it. |
Raising the federal minimum wage is an awful idea. Why? Because America is a large country with a diversified economy.
Not every state produces the same thing. Texas's economy is based off oil, Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism, Idaho's economy is based off of potatoes, Silicon Valley's economy is based off of technology.
The cost of living varies across the nation, and having a federal minimum wage will only hurt our diverse economy. Minimum wage should be left to state and local governments! |
I think min wage is good as it is tbh. We just need to tackle that type of problem in a different angle. provide jobs with higher skills with higher pay. bc min wage jobs really offers no advancements and many of them are being automated. jobs should encourage people to move up and not stay at the same place doing the same boring old shit for an easy paycheck every week. There are lot of cheap classes online and many are free that you can acquire skills with. They're all informative and great and a lot are better than college courses. Just need to get those accredited. |
Wait, easy paycheck? Dude, have you ever worked a minimum wage job (or even just seen someone doing it)? It's absolutely the opposite of an "easy paycheck"... |
Try being on 100% commission and tell me what's an easy paycheck |
I was a salesman for comcast on comission, and they expected me to make a sale every hour in a low income area walmart. It took me me a few months to realize this was a huge waste of my time, they didn't want me actually making money to my capability, I was just a walking talking advertisement and I fucking hated it. Quit that job right after I had my first mystery shopper and I scored perfectly. Fuck sales jobs, you have to love failing 90% of the time to get the few that will buy. It's a boring job, all it takes is psychopath social skills.
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Antagonist
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Oh gee after Kyle went on a hurp durp stampeed and found that he became quickly irrelevant he tried putting in his 2 cents and found himself a bigger loser. Just by telling me you couldn't sell shit. I already know how you're like lmao. Everyone who can't make at least minimum quota all have resemblance in quality and it's not because they can't sell either. Much like a bernie supporter to blame everything other than themselves and justify their incompetence on a rigged system lel
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| You're a fucking idiot if that is what you took from what I wrote, maybe I didn't make it clear enough for your dumbass. I met the quota, I just didn't feel it was nessecary to try and nickel and dime low income folks and families. It didn't feel like I was there to make a deal with willing customers, it felt like I was trying to scam people and get them to pay for things they can't afford.
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Antagonist
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Bro you just said you had a fucking 10% closing ratio lmao
>you need psychopath social skills
what
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minimum wage jobs are hard work. not all but most are physically demanding. its an easy job only in the sense that anyone can do it. but theres a reason you see the same type of people at that job. they really dont have yhr ability to go to school and do anything better. many of these people are working two minimum wage jobs 7 days a week 12+ hours a day and barely scraping by trying to support their families. these guys work their asses off to make ends meat. the other group are young without families either going to school or just have no aspirations but only have to take care od themselves and have the ability to survive comfortably off a minimum wage job like myself.
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| Of all the people you talk to, yes 90% failure rate is an accurate estimate. Most of the time you get people who Ignore you or will hear you out out then say no thank you. The psychopath social skills come in when you can slip in different packages or more things than with what they initially wanted to buy. It's not hard, but it requires being disingenuous which I didn't like so I gave the job up. I like helping people, not being a sleezy salesperson in it for themselves without a care for what they are selling.
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