Cheat Engine

Gniarf

I'm aware of the hate people here have for paid trainers, so I was thinking instead of publishing cheat tables with ads and I'd like to know what the public thinks about it. Currently the idea is to have an adbar stuck at the bottom of cheat engine's main window, like on the picture below.

Atm, I don't know what ad server I'd use, but probably not adfly because some of their ads contain videos and I don't want to hear them when I'm playing. Maybe google ads...

I know there is a heckaton of ways to disable the ads, especially if I release cheat tables instead of trainers, but cheat tables are great for learning/teaching purposes and I'm NOT going to waste time making "protections" to enforce viewing the ads.

For those who wonder, yes, it's the built-in supportCheatEngine(...) function. And for those who don't know this, no, all profits do not go to cheat engine, actually most of it would go to me, and a bit to DB (if he fixes CE.org/ceads.php).

daspamer · Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:51 am Post subject:

Adsense will ban your ass miles away from them =P. (don't use them).
Adf.ly will ban C.E if they discover ?

Anyway, you can do banner exchange in a php file (that you probably have to do edit manually or somehow do it automatically) that will contain all banners that other people has added for money or your own banners or your publishing ad network.

Anyway,
You'd be able to pretty nice cash over time.
Yeah right people are gonna remove it, but that fine right? =P.

Alternatives ad network:
Chitika
AdHitz
Clicksor

And many more.

TsTg · Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:45 pm Post subject:

i would remove the ads if i really need the table ,else i won't use it at all

daspamer · Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:39 pm Post subject:

They don't bother too much TsTg.
I wouldn't, but it don't matter for me =P, I don't use others .CTs Very Happy

Gniarf · Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject:

What worries me is the flaming. I know people can get pretty virulent against people who sell trainers, but against those who put ads? No data.

Dark Byte · Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:17 pm Post subject:

the function has an option to show a header+closebutton or not. And as shown in the concept you enabled it, so they can just click the cross on the topright to close it which shouldn't get much complaining

And you could also just link to your own site with ads.
Keep in mind that the clicked links must open in a new window, else the page will load in the small size of the ad

And specific sized picture ads are recommended as there seems to be a problem that the component thinks the size is the screensize, so <center> will be really off. The size and height of the window are sent as parameter with the url so you could use that to generate an image runtime (or always expect the same size)

Also, be prepared that some people will instantly copy your table, remove the ad, and reupload it, possibly inside your own thread as well

Geri · Moderator Reputation: 111 Joined: 05 Feb 2010 Posts: 5636

I have used the CE ads in some trainers, though I didn't try to put my own ads into it and this is what will probably happen:

Some people will cry about it like as if it would be so horrible to close a simple ad window. But most of them (like 99.99% of the users) will accept it or at least shut up.

This is what you do with the whiners:

Tell them to fuck off and don't use your free services if they can't deal with a simple advertisement that can be closed with a click.
Seriously, nobody is forcing them to use your cheats and nobody is forcing you to "work" for free. You will have to live with it that not everyone will like what you do, but you will generate some profit either for yourself or for DB.

If you want to go this way, then you have to ignore the whiners, because there will be whiners, but there will be many other users who will not care AND there will be users who will say it's perfectly ok to support you this way. Yes I actually got positive feedbacks too, such as "it's good that we can support the CE project this way" etc. For the users, it doesn't cost anything and for you, it's money. Probably not much money, but at least some money.

There are mainly 2 things that can mess up your project:
1. Having an ad that is damn slow to open, but most of them are not.
2. Having a crappy ad provider who is not filtering the advertisers and let through all sorts of shit and viruses. Yes some ad providers are linking to sites with viruses, which seems unlikely but it can happen, simply because they don't give a fuck about their client base.

At least half of the web sites are using some ads so it's not like OMG you are the first one who is doing this. You make a website with an ad or you make a trainer with an ad, it's not a big difference. The internet didn't collapse with the introduction of ads. As long as your services are required, most users will not give a damn about your advertisement.

SinStar87 · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:27 am Post subject:

How many tables have you made?

Gniarf · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:45 am Post subject:

Me? About 70 (counting only cheat engine tables), less than a tenth of that were published. Why do you ask?

SinStar87 · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:49 am Post subject:

Just wondering, it is an interesting idea.

Edit* To answer the question, I can't see that it'd matter as long as it had to detriment to users. But like Flash hacker I don't use other's.

daspamer · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:36 am Post subject:

I've made around the 70 too.
Many of them were generated as trainers and the reset were kept as private for myself for having fun or contacting Devs (I contact devs only if its an MMO =P).

TsTg · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject:

and I made about a one hundred tables, and programmed trainers for about 25 of them, also most of them are for private use, beside all that i wrote a DLL similar to stealth edit, just for use outside CE to evade integrity checks, also made a debug registers emulator, for some games that compares them against some static values,..and wrote some other tools, but if i post any of these to the public, i would never include any sort of ads in them.

Geri · Moderator Reputation: 111 Joined: 05 Feb 2010 Posts: 5636

Well, you do what you want and he do what he want, it's a personal decision. If he want, he can put an ad on a blank white webpage too, but nobody will look at it. If he is putting an ad in a CE table and the users know that it has an ad in it, they can decide to use it or not. It's a simple agreement between creator and user. Don't like the terms of the creator, don't use the product and the problem is solved. Want to use the product? Then agree to the terms of the creator.

The0neThe0nly · Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:44 pm Post subject:

The ads aren't that big of a deal, they probably wouldn't bother me.

atom0s · Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject:

Depends on the ad, if its easily closable and not intrusive etc. I don't mind them since it helps out the author. If I have to sit and wait a timer, click some link, take some survey etc. then I'd remove it.