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Professor_Baassiri
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:13 am    Post subject: Noob coming for help This post has 1 review(s) Reply with quote

hello there, neighbourly cheaters. ait so i'm this forum's newest noob, and I've been playing games for like 9 yrs of my life, and i think its high time i learned how to hack. when i read that cheat engine wont work on online games, i was intrigued. and i thought to myself "if cheat engine doesn't work, how are all those ppl getting it done on the game servers?" i would very much like to learn, and am willing to devote as much time as needed, regardless of how well or bad my progress goes. is there a hacker in the house?
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XaLeX
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Noob coming for help Reply with quote

Professor_Baassiri wrote:
i would very much like to learn, and am willing to devote as much time as needed, regardless of how well or bad my progress goes.
Thank god, an intelligent user. Welcome Very Happy
So.. cheating basically is messing with what you can mess. That is, you have to cope with the existing code and find pieces that can be exploited.
This said, while offline games live and thrive in your RAM, most of the interesting data and code of an online game are stored on the server, for obvious security reasons.
The way this works is easy: the client handles as least data as possible, processing graphics and user input and sending packets to the server for other things: for example, when you press F1 in an MMORPG, the client just checks what skill is associated with that key and then sends a packet (a stream of bytes) to the server telling it, "hey, player <player> wants to use skill <whatever>". The server decrypts and interprets the packet, and runs all the "important" code: checks if you have enough mp, if the cooldown has ended, and then makes you execute your skill.

Now, how this can be exploited really depends on how the game has been designed and implemented, but it basically involves sending fake packets to the server.
After understanding how the game works, you'll know what can be hacked and will have no difficulty in hacking it.

By the way, CE is fine for dissecting memory and code, but when it comes to packets, you'd be better off with WPE Pro or CE's packet sniffer plugin.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually we're not much for Multiplayer Cheating anymore, since Dark Byte has been contacted a couple of times by lawyers from different gaming companies.

With that said, Welcome onboard!

We still do Single player games :b

Although, CEF isn't what it used to be back in the days.
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AhMunRa
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can Cheat Engine hack multiplayer games, yes. Can Cheat Engine hack multiplayer games that the server stores values, no.

Games like FPS you could use CE to hack. Things like bounding boxes and aim bots are going to take coding on your part. Not super easy to learn, and also frowned upon in the gaming world. Plus most any cheat you could write for mp games would be detected by whatever protection was running, resulting in instant ban. When games are $60 and $70 a pop, I would not suggest even trying lest you lose the ability to play that game you spent so much money on.

What CE offers, is the chance to take control over your games again. There was a time way back when, when all games had console. Where you typed in your code and got access to cheats, ammo, health, giveall that sort of thing. These days as more and more pc games are just ports of console games, the days of console seem to have come and gone. This is where CE helps us to create those Single Player cheats to get unlim ammo or unlim health.

Welcome to community.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ファイナルファンタジ


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なんだとー/なんだよこれ


Off topic but what's with poorly translated moonspeak in everyone's sigs?

On topic, discussion of multiplayer cheats and hacks is against the forum rules, so once you find a mentor you should take it to IM or something.
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Professor_Baassiri
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: more i guess Reply with quote

To Crymoa, i cant PM yet, so i think that means i cant IM yet, not unless i ask for an email on this forum which i aint gonna do, and get looked down upon.

To Xalex, well i think i got the principle. I have to send a packet containing information similar to the one governing a certain object in the online game itself. for example, unlimited mp comes from a packet that states that after using a skill, the "player X's mp does not change".
Still, im wet behind the ears. where do i start learning? and using which program for online F2P mmorpgs?

To amunrah, the game is F2P. i will be attempting this on a mule. in the worst case, my mule gets banned. but so what? its only a mule.

to all, thanks for ur support. when i do learn how to do this, i wont speak on forums about it, hopefully ill be able to pm by then.
Lookin forward to ur words, xalex.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean you find someone willing to help you out and ask for their MSN/AIM/YIM/Jabber/Gtalk/IRC/etc.
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XaLeX
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cryoma wrote:
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ファイナルファンタジ


Quote:
なんだとー/なんだよこれ


Off topic but what's with poorly translated moonspeak in everyone's sigs?
The first one is katakana for "Final Fantasy"; the second one reads nandatoo ("What did you say?")/nandayokore ("What the hell is that?", or something like that). I already forgot japanese.. rosetta stone is crap xD

Professor_Baassiri wrote:
To Xalex, well i think i got the principle. I have to send a packet containing information similar to the one governing a certain object in the online game itself. for example, unlimited mp comes from a packet that states that after using a skill, the "player X's mp does not change".
Still, im wet behind the ears. where do i start learning? and using which program for online F2P mmorpgs?
hmm.. close. Usually there is no packet for unlimited mp (Razz), the only things you're gonna find are those the developers implemented because they were needed.

To begin learning, check the stickies here
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nandayokore - なんだよこれ - Loosely translated "What the f***!"
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Professor_Baassiri
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well ive just downloaded the latest cheat engine. clearly theres no way im going to be able to hack an mmorpg using WPE pro unless im reallly familiar with things like cheat engine. problem is, i couldnt pass the tutorial's 6th step concerning pointers. so i saved it. Regarding the stickes Xal led me to about, WPE pro looks scary x.x how do i proceed?



Yo Xal, pm me a MSN adress or something. learning via MSN is alot more efficient than having to wait till someone replies on the forums. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also IRC

irc.p2p-network.net/6667

channel is #cef several of us in there now.

Benefit is many people, and realtime help.

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