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xMurtaghx
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| krazedkat wrote: | | MLKJ was one of the greatest people to ever live.... Besides... Do you know the idea BEHIND socialism? Think about it... Many people say that communism sucks and is bad but the idea behind IT is to share evenly so that everyone lives with joy! |
Do you even know what Communism/ Socialism is?
How would you like to be in a goverment where you dont get to choose
anything and the goverment can do whatever they want.
You do HAVE TO vote but the people there are from the communistic
party and would screw up.
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| You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt..
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| the amount of stupidity in here is simply to much to bare.
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AverageAzn247
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no1 wants to give up all their private proptery and share.
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jesterab
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Hmm, Voting being corrupted? Woah, Didn't that happen in the U.S or something? Yes,yes it did.
Marxism, it works, it just has not been implemented correctly. The U.S.S.R didn't crumble because its economy was starving, far from it in fact. It died because it was bankrupted by the Americans. How did the Americans do that? Heres the story kids:
The USSR's economy was absolutely blooming. It was doing very well and your leaders were roughly upper middle class and everyone else was lower middle class. The USA saw this and thought it was asinine, mostly because the ideology behind marxism is funadmentally polar to that of Social darwinistic capitalism with a penchant for aristocracy. So, the united states promptly demanded that the USSR conform to the USA's means of trade so as to trade easier with the now booming ussr. However, the Russians refused and the united states decided to point missiles at them. So, the USSR turns around and says "You build missle huh!??! WE BUILD BIGGER MISSLE" and the US said "Fine, but we'll go build space craft and blast your shit from the sky", when in reality they had no intentions of doing so. The russians in their hubris pursued this endevor under the ruse that the americans were racing right behind them and bankrupted themselves in a matter of a few years. So, as to alleviate the financial hurt, they dismantled the iron curtain and now conform to a hybrid economy.
So you see, if the americans just kept their noses out of other's business' then perhaps we would have had a prime example for communism. Now, you go to school and become propogated by people who just assumed Ronald just magically made the iron curtain disappear, and it all happened because communism is impossible because americans think the rest of the world is as blindly greedy as they are.
MLK believed in democratic socalism. Where there is absolutely no heirarchy and the people vote on each individual issue. His social activism and pride in his cause should be evidence that something like a democratic socalist country would be possible with a leader like him. Good thing he was assisnated or he might just prove some mother fuckers wrong.
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AverageAzn247
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jesterab wrote: | Hmm, Voting being corrupted? Woah, Didn't that happen in the U.S or something? Yes,yes it did.
Marxism, it works, it just has not been implemented correctly. The U.S.S.R didn't crumble because its economy was starving, far from it in fact. It died because it was bankrupted by the Americans. How did the Americans do that? Heres the story kids:
The USSR's economy was absolutely blooming. It was doing very well and your leaders were roughly upper middle class and everyone else was lower middle class. The USA saw this and thought it was asinine, mostly because the ideology behind marxism is funadmentally polar to that of Social darwinistic capitalism with a penchant for aristocracy. So, the united states promptly demanded that the USSR conform to the USA's means of trade so as to trade easier with the now booming ussr. However, the Russians refused and the united states decided to point missiles at them. So, the USSR turns around and says "You build missle huh!??! WE BUILD BIGGER MISSLE" and the US said "Fine, but we'll go build space craft and blast your shit from the sky", when in reality they had no intentions of doing so. The russians in their hubris pursued this endevor under the ruse that the americans were racing right behind them and bankrupted themselves in a matter of a few years. So, as to alleviate the financial hurt, they dismantled the iron curtain and now conform to a hybrid economy.
So you see, if the americans just kept their noses out of other's business' then perhaps we would have had a prime example for communism. Now, you go to school and become propogated by people who just assumed Ronald just magically made the iron curtain disappear, and it all happened because communism is impossible because americans think the rest of the world is as blindly greedy as they are.
MLK believed in democratic socalism. Where there is absolutely no heirarchy and the people vote on each individual issue. His social activism and pride in his cause should be evidence that something like a democratic socalist country would be possible with a leader like him. Good thing he was assisnated or he might just prove some mother fuckers wrong. |
no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR.
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This topic is silly. 
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| krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature.
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| rufflez wrote: | | krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature. |
Alright then, you honestly believe that all human beings are as shitty as you? I doubt it
1. Explain small company employers with negative incomes
2. Small rural villages with generations of community
3. Charity
4. Volentary military service
5. volentary Community service
You don't need a utopian society for Communism/socalism/marxism to work, merely a society that actually cares. You need to raise your damn children and not allow the television and computer baby sit them. Teach your damn children not to alienate others, take them to do community service and teach them to love their fellow man. All this is rarely done and therefore there are few decent people on this planet. You were just raised to be a little shit and thus have become one. You are not an example of what human nature is, man is a social animal and is shaped by his society. He evolves and adapts, and you my friend are generations behind.
| averageazn247 wrote: | | no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR. |
Hurr durr, Gorbachev wanted wanted to reinstate a multicanidate election but conservatives (People largely against communism) outvoted him. So you could argue that the non-communists inside russia ruined that little reform there
The agricultural reform failing has only to do with it being merely executed wrong. It only leased the farmers more land, it didn't actually allow them to hold it under their name. So it wasn't fundamentals in the system it was merely flaws in how Gorbachev saw a hybrid economy.
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AverageAzn247
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| jesterab wrote: | | rufflez wrote: | | krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature. |
Alright then, you honestly believe that all human beings are as shitty as you? I doubt it
1. Explain small company employers with negative incomes
2. Small rural villages with generations of community
3. Charity
4. Volentary military service
5. volentary Community service
You don't need a utopian society for Communism/socalism/marxism to work, merely a society that actually cares. You need to raise your damn children and not allow the television and computer baby sit them. Teach your damn children not to alienate others, take them to do community service and teach them to love their fellow man. All this is rarely done and therefore there are few decent people on this planet. You were just raised to be a little shit and thus have become one. You are not an example of what human nature is, man is a social animal and is shaped by his society. He evolves and adapts, and you my friend are generations behind.
| averageazn247 wrote: | | no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR. |
Hurr durr, Gorbachev wanted wanted to reinstate a multicanidate election but conservatives (People largely against communism) outvoted him. So you could argue that the non-communists inside russia ruined that little reform there
The agricultural reform failing has only to do with it being merely executed wrong. It only leased the farmers more land, it didn't actually allow them to hold it under their name. So it wasn't fundamentals in the system it was merely flaws in how Gorbachev saw a hybrid economy. |
explain y china switch to capitalism and y their economy is booming.
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jesterab
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| averageazn247 wrote: | | jesterab wrote: | | rufflez wrote: | | krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature. |
Alright then, you honestly believe that all human beings are as shitty as you? I doubt it
1. Explain small company employers with negative incomes
2. Small rural villages with generations of community
3. Charity
4. Volentary military service
5. volentary Community service
You don't need a utopian society for Communism/socalism/marxism to work, merely a society that actually cares. You need to raise your damn children and not allow the television and computer baby sit them. Teach your damn children not to alienate others, take them to do community service and teach them to love their fellow man. All this is rarely done and therefore there are few decent people on this planet. You were just raised to be a little shit and thus have become one. You are not an example of what human nature is, man is a social animal and is shaped by his society. He evolves and adapts, and you my friend are generations behind.
| averageazn247 wrote: | | no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR. |
Hurr durr, Gorbachev wanted wanted to reinstate a multicanidate election but conservatives (People largely against communism) outvoted him. So you could argue that the non-communists inside russia ruined that little reform there
The agricultural reform failing has only to do with it being merely executed wrong. It only leased the farmers more land, it didn't actually allow them to hold it under their name. So it wasn't fundamentals in the system it was merely flaws in how Gorbachev saw a hybrid economy. |
explain y china switch to capitalism and y their economy is booming. |
They didn't. They do what all other communist countries do, they have capitalistic forigen trade but internal economics are communistic.
Also, their economy is closely linked to ours. They've lent us so much money that if we collapse under our debt they go down also. In addition, natural resources and cheap labor, cheapened ethics and lack of regulations allow for business "Short-cuts". Non-the-less, they are still communist to a degree. Its called a hybrid economy, you'll experiance this soon as the U.S.A is leaning in that direction like a large headed infant.
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AverageAzn247
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jesterab wrote: | | averageazn247 wrote: | | jesterab wrote: | | rufflez wrote: | | krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature. |
Alright then, you honestly believe that all human beings are as shitty as you? I doubt it
1. Explain small company employers with negative incomes
2. Small rural villages with generations of community
3. Charity
4. Volentary military service
5. volentary Community service
You don't need a utopian society for Communism/socalism/marxism to work, merely a society that actually cares. You need to raise your damn children and not allow the television and computer baby sit them. Teach your damn children not to alienate others, take them to do community service and teach them to love their fellow man. All this is rarely done and therefore there are few decent people on this planet. You were just raised to be a little shit and thus have become one. You are not an example of what human nature is, man is a social animal and is shaped by his society. He evolves and adapts, and you my friend are generations behind.
| averageazn247 wrote: | | no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR. |
Hurr durr, Gorbachev wanted wanted to reinstate a multicanidate election but conservatives (People largely against communism) outvoted him. So you could argue that the non-communists inside russia ruined that little reform there
The agricultural reform failing has only to do with it being merely executed wrong. It only leased the farmers more land, it didn't actually allow them to hold it under their name. So it wasn't fundamentals in the system it was merely flaws in how Gorbachev saw a hybrid economy. |
explain y china switch to capitalism and y their economy is booming. |
They didn't. They do what all other communist countries do, they have capitalistic forigen trade but internal economics are communistic.
Also, their economy is closely linked to ours. They've lent us so much money that if we collapse under our debt they go down also. In addition, natural resources and cheap labor, cheapened ethics and lack of regulations allow for business "Short-cuts". Non-the-less, they are still communist to a degree. Its called a hybrid economy, you'll experiance this soon as the U.S.A is leaning in that direction like a large headed infant. |
The U.S is only headed this way b/c Obama was elected. Most of the *bail out* money was wasted on pointless crap liek special bonuses fro CEOs.
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jesterab
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| averageazn247 wrote: | | The U.S is only headed this way b/c Obama was elected. Most of the *bail out* money was wasted on pointless crap liek special bonuses fro CEOs. |
You are aware that Obama is not even in office yet, right?
Also, I'm against the bail-outs however did you even bother to read them? CEO's were forced to take a cut in pay, although that's not the reason why the bail-outs won't work. They won't work because the money is being spent to consolidate the companies properties and NOT to hire more people.
Christ, even still none of that changes the fact that the United States is begining to conform to a more socalist policy. The only reason why their ideology has changed is because the rich rapidly became poor, and for some reason that's what it took for us to wake the fuck up. The very reason why the rich became poor is because greedy mother fuckers lent money to people KNOWING they would not be able to pay it back. Our economy's prime motivator is the very same poison rendering apart our economy. Now GTFO, you evidently ignorant asshole.
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AverageAzn247
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jesterab wrote: | | averageazn247 wrote: | | The U.S is only headed this way b/c Obama was elected. Most of the *bail out* money was wasted on pointless crap liek special bonuses fro CEOs. |
You are aware that Obama is not even in office yet, right?
Also, I'm against the bail-outs however did you even bother to read them? CEO's were forced to take a cut in pay, although that's not the reason why the bail-outs won't work. They won't work because the money is being spent to consolidate the companies properties and NOT to hire more people.
Christ, even still none of that changes the fact that the United States is begining to conform to a more socalist policy. The only reason why their ideology has changed is because the rich rapidly became poor, and for some reason that's what it took for us to wake the fuck up. The very reason why the rich became poor is because greedy mother fuckers lent money to people KNOWING they would not be able to pay it back. Our economy's prime motivator is the very same poison rendering apart our economy. Now GTFO, you evidently ignorant asshole. |
Psh. The bail out was filled with little goodies for CEOs such as lavish hotel retreats. The reason the U.S got in to this situation was that government lent money to a bad bank. If the U.S was pure capitalism that loan wouldn't of happened and that bank of went out of business without causing such a failure.
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| jesterab wrote: | | rufflez wrote: | | krazedkat wrote: | | You don't understand it... At all... The idea of communism is GREAT but its too easy for the communistic governments to go corrupt.. |
no it would only work in a utopia, where everyone shares, but we live in a world where humans are greedy and selfish because its human nature. |
Alright then, you honestly believe that all human beings are as shitty as you? I doubt it
1. Explain small company employers with negative incomes
2. Small rural villages with generations of community
3. Charity
4. Volentary military service
5. volentary Community service
You don't need a utopian society for Communism/socalism/marxism to work, merely a society that actually cares. You need to raise your damn children and not allow the television and computer baby sit them. Teach your damn children not to alienate others, take them to do community service and teach them to love their fellow man. All this is rarely done and therefore there are few decent people on this planet. You were just raised to be a little shit and thus have become one. You are not an example of what human nature is, man is a social animal and is shaped by his society. He evolves and adapts, and you my friend are generations behind.
| averageazn247 wrote: | | no Gorbachev's failed reforms and pissed off Afghans killed USSR. |
Hurr durr, Gorbachev wanted wanted to reinstate a multicanidate election but conservatives (People largely against communism) outvoted him. So you could argue that the non-communists inside russia ruined that little reform there
The agricultural reform failing has only to do with it being merely executed wrong. It only leased the farmers more land, it didn't actually allow them to hold it under their name. So it wasn't fundamentals in the system it was merely flaws in how Gorbachev saw a hybrid economy. |
The most selfless people I know are the Canadian military! They go into places to protect people and take bullets for civilians. They are called Peace Keepers. Plus Ghandi  ...
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