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redslothx
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| Cheetah wrote: | | Global warming is real. It's a natural cycle that happens every 200 years. It's not caused by humans or pollution. |
humans that pollute the planet speed it up
and ice caps dont melt every 200 years -_-
and global temps have never been what they are today in the past 200 years
me thinks your time frame was wayy to short.
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Haruhi Suzumiya.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheetah wrote: | | Global warming is real. It's a natural cycle that happens every 200 years. It's not caused by humans or pollution. |
Nope it's fake because a book said so.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. I'm getting my facts from the book which get its facts from real life. Wikipedia does not say they are fictional facts either.
Like I said before, the book is not trying to persuade you that global warming is not real. It is merely saying that people should look at the real facts/information and the big picture before jumping to conclusions.
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Haruhi Suzumiya.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Let me just end this now!
Scientific
This novel received criticism from climate scientists,[20][21][22]science journalists[23][24] and environmental groups[25][26] for inaccuracies and misleading information. 16 of 18 top U.S. climate scientists interviewed by Knight Ridder, said the author is bending scientific data and distorting research.[22]
Peter Doran, leading author of the Nature paper,[27][28] wrote in the New York Times stating that
"... our results have been misused as “evidence” against global warming by Michael Crichton in his novel “State of Fear”[21]
Myles Allen, Head of the Climate Dynamics Group, Department of Physics, University of Oxford, wrote in Nature in 2005:
"Michael Crichton’s latest blockbuster, State of Fear, is also on the theme of global warming and is likely to mislead the unwary. . . Although this is a work of fiction, Crichton’s use of footnotes and appendices is clearly intended to give an impression of scientific authority."[20]
The Union of Concerned Scientists devote a section of their website to clear up some of Crichton’s misconceptions in the book[26]. Jeffrey Masters, Chief meteorologist for Weather Underground, writes: "Crichton presents an error-filled and distorted version of the Global Warming science, favoring views of the handful of contrarians that attack the consensus science of the IPCC."[29] James Hansen wrote: He (Michael Crichton) doesn’t seem to have the foggiest notion about the science that he writes about.[30]
Straight from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear
So he is using fake information, misleading and changing facts... (Or more)
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Lol, so it wasn't real facts? I'm not convinced...I think I'll ask Michael Crichton myself 
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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do it! ask him! then show us the letter
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Haruhi Suzumiya.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| oib111 wrote: | | Lol, so it wasn't real facts? I'm not convinced...I think I'll ask Michael Crichton myself :wink: |
Ask him. It was not facts.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations on not being able to use common sense, logic, and your own 2 eyes to see what is happening in the world~
global warming still remains =0
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sloth no offense. But you need to use your own two eyes. Because I said numerous times throughout this argument that I BELIEVED IN GLOBAL WARMING. I was merely saying these were interesting facts (apparently not facts?)
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redslothx
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| oib111 wrote: | | Sloth no offense. But you need to use your own two eyes. Because I said numerous times throughout this argument that I BELIEVED IN GLOBAL WARMING. I was merely saying these were interesting facts (apparently not facts?) |
by saying the word fact, you are agreeing with the book -_-
learn to argue
if you are defending something, then that is your side.
you cant have 2 sides.
and yes, you were defending the book. or else this wouldnt have lasted 5 pages -_-
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I was defending the book, but the book is not persuading you to not believe in Global Warming. It's telling you to look at the facts/information and big picture before jumping to conclusions.
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Haruhi Suzumiya.
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| oib111 wrote: | | I was defending the book, but the book is not persuading you to not believe in Global Warming. It's telling you to look at the facts/information and big picture before jumping to conclusions. |
What facts? There fake... We never went to conclusion Global Warming was observed and studied.
Book=/=Global Warming.
You are not looking at the big picture... The book is a lie.
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| oib111 wrote: | Oh idk...Oh and here is three pages basically reviewing global warming (counter arguments against Global Warming):
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"So," Kenner said, "global warming represents a thread to the world?"
"Absolutely," Bradley said. "A thread to the wholew world."
"What sort of threat are we talking about?"
"Crop failures, spreading deserts, new diseases, species extinction, all the glaciers melting, Kilimanjaro, sea-level rise, extreme weather, tornadoes, hurricanes, El Nino events-"
"That sounds extremely serious," Kenner said.
"It is," Bradley said. "It really is."
"Are you sure of your facts?"
"Of course."
"You can back your claims with references to the scientific literature."
"Well, I can't personally, but scientists can."
"Actually, scientific studies do not support your claims. For example, crop failure-if anything, increased carbon dioxide stimulates plant growth. There is some evidence that this is happening. And the most recent satellite studies show the Sahara has shrunk since 1980. As for new diseases-not true. The rate of new diseases has not changed since 1960."
"But we'll have diseases like malaria coming back to the US and Europe."
"not according to malaria experts."
Bradley snorted and folded his hands across his chests.
"Species extinction hasn't been demonstrated either. In the 1980s, Norman Myers predicted a million species would be extinct by the year 2000. Paul Ehrlich predicted that fifty percent of all species would be extinct by the year 2000. But those were just opinions. Do you know what we call opinion in the absence of evidence? We call it prejudice. Do you know how many species there are on the planet?"
"No."
"neither does anybody else. Estimate range from three million to one hundred million. Quite a range, wouldn't you say? Nobody really has any idea."
"your point being?"
"Its hard to know how many species are becoming extinct if you don't know how many there are in the first place. How could you tell if you were robbed if you didn't know how much money you had in your wallet to being with? And fifteen thousand new species are described every year. By the way, do you know what the known rate of species extinction is?"
"No."
"That's because there is no known rate. Do you know how they measure numbers of species and species extinction? Some poor bastard marks off a hectare or an acre of land and then tries to count all the bugs and animals and plants inside it. Then he comes back in ten years and counts again. But amybe the bugs have moved to an adjacent acre in the meantime. Anyway, can you imagine trying to count all the bugs in a acre of land?"
"It would be difficult."
"To put it mildly. And very inaccurate," Kenner said, "which is the point. Now, about all the glaciers melting-not true. Some are, some aren't"
"Nearly all of them are."
Kenner smiled thinly. "how many glaciers are we talking about?"
"Dozens."
"How many glaciers are there in the world, Ted?"
"I don't know."
"Guess."
"Maybe, uh, two hundred."
"THere are more than that in California. There are one hundred sixty thousand glaciers in the world, Ted. About sixty-seven thousand have been inventoried, but only a few have been studied with any care. There is mass balance data extending five years or more for only seventy-nine glaciers in the entire world. So, how can you say they're all melting? Nobody knows whether they are or not."
"Kilimanjaro is melting."
"Why is that?"
"Global warming."
"Actually, Kilimanjaro has been rapidly melting since the 1800s-long before global warming. The loss of glacier has been a topic of scholarly concern for over a hundred years. And it has always been something of a mystery because, as you know Kilimanjaro is an equatorial volcano, so it exists in a warm region. Satellite measurements of that region shows no warming trend at the altitude of the Kilimanjaro glacier. So why is it melting?"
Sulking: "You tell me."
"Because of deforestation, Ted. The rain forest at the base of the mountain has been cut down, so the air blowing upward is no longer moist. Experts think that if the forest is replanted the glacier will grow again."
"That's bullshit."
"I'll give you the journal references Now then-sea-level rise? Was that the next threat you mentioned?"
"Yes."
"Sea level is indeed rising."
"Ah-hah!"
"As it has been for the last six thousand years, ever since the start of the Holocene. Sea level has been rising at the rate of ten to twenty centimeters, that's four to eight inches every hundred years."
"But it's rising faster now."
"Actually, not."
"Satellites prove it."
"Actually, they don't."
"Computer models prove it's rising faster."
"Computer models can't prove anything, Ted. A prediction can't ever be proof-it hasn't happened yet. And computer models have failed in accurately predict the last ten or fifteen years. But if you want to believe in the anyway, there is no arguing with faith. Now what was next on your list? Extreme weather-again, not true. Numerous studies show there is no increase."
"Look," Ted said, "you may enjoy putting me down, but hte fact is, lots of people think there will be more extreme weather, including more hurricanes and tornadoes and cyclones, in the future."
"Yes, indeed lots of people think so. But scientific studies do not bear them out. That's why we do science, Ted, to see if our opinions can be verified in the real world, or whether we are just having fantasies."
"All these hurricanes are not fantasies."
Kenner sighed. He flipped open his laptop.
"What are you doing?"
"One moment," Kenner said. "Let me bring it up."
"Here is the actual data, Ted," Kenner said. "US hurricane strikes over the last hundred years are clearly not increasing. And similarly extreme weather is not more frequent globally. The data simply do not agree with you. Now, you also mentioned El Nino events."
"Yes..."
"As you know, El Nino is a global weather pattern that begins when ocean temperatures along the west coast of South America remain above normal for several months. Once it's triggered, El Nino lasts about a year and a half, affecting weather around the world. El Nino occurs roughly every four years-twenty-three times in the last century. And it has been occurring for thousands of years. SO it long precedes any claim of global warming. But what threat does EL Nino represent to the US? There was a major El Nino in 1998."
"Floods, crops ruined, like that."
"All that happened. But the net economic effect of the last El Nino was a gain of a fifteen billion dollars because of a longer growing season and less use of winter heating oil. That's after deducting $1.5 billion for flooding and excess rain in California. Still a net benefit."
"I'd like to see that study," Bradley said.
"I'll make sure you get it. Because of course it also suggests that if global warming really does occur, it will probably benefit most nations of the world."
"But not all."
"No, Ted. Not all"
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Wow, that was a lot of typing x_x
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It's not like I don't believe in the theory of Global Warming. Just this book brings up plenty of questionable things pertaining to Global Warming. |
Oh wow that is alot of typing.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| keritio wrote: | | oib111 wrote: | | I was defending the book, but the book is not persuading you to not believe in Global Warming. It's telling you to look at the facts/information and big picture before jumping to conclusions. |
What facts? There fake... We never went to conclusion Global Warming was observed and studied.
Book=/=Global Warming.
You are not looking at the big picture... The book is a lie. |
In general, so not the facts in the book.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| oib111 wrote: | | keritio wrote: | | oib111 wrote: | | I was defending the book, but the book is not persuading you to not believe in Global Warming. It's telling you to look at the facts/information and big picture before jumping to conclusions. |
What facts? There fake... We never went to conclusion Global Warming was observed and studied.
Book=/=Global Warming.
You are not looking at the big picture... The book is a lie. |
In general, so not the facts in the book. |
THE BOOK DOES NOT TELL THE TRUTH DUN DUN DUN. Not in fucking general.
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