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WafflesFTW · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Native vs. Managed C++

Alrighty, I've gotten to that point in C++ after learning about classes, inheritance, etc and before learning the API. I have learned both managed C++(CLR) and native C++. To create bots and trainers, which is the more efficient route to take from this point. I plan on learning both eventually for windows programming, but from a starting standpoint, which would be able to semi efficiently produce GUIs(Doesn't have to be windows forms fast, just not a snail s pace), while retaining a large amount of flexibility and power?

Thanks in advance,
Waffles

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject:

C# > Managed C++

Native can obviously be faster

atom0s · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject:

C++ and .NET should never be paired together in my opinion. You are taking something that has been upgraded over the past to become an incredible language, then combining it with a horrible framework that is designed poorly and creates more hassle then it's worth. Not the best of things to go hand in hand in my opinion.

I agree with slovach here, if you wish to use .NET in your application(s), goto C#, but if you want to stick with C++ stay native.

WafflesFTW · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:

So I should be using the MFC/API

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject:

MFC is gross.

just keep it Win32 / dialogs.

WafflesFTW · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:

Could you elaborate on that?

lurc · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

MFC is kinda like a Mini.NET, yet has the same idea:
To completely ruin the point of C++; Small, Fast, Optimized Programs.

WafflesFTW · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

Ok, so I should learn to program in windows using the Win32API. Does anyone know any good tuts on this?

lurc · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

theForger's Win32 API Programming Tutorial

atom0s · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:11 am Post subject:

MFC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Foundation_Class_Library

Not going really sit here and explain what it is, but, in my opinion it's just a macro driven version of the Win32 API wrapped in classes. It, to me, is more confusing then using things yourself via the API. Don't get me wrong though, I love classes, they are a wonderful thing added to the C language. But MFC just over does things a bit much and creates more hassle and headache when you look at code.

MFC is widely used though, for creating dialog based applications in a big production, MFC can have its benefits, but it also has it's limitations to what the class and wrappers are set to do. While using pure Win32, you have the limits of the OS and language itself and not on premade classes.

Just remember there is no 'best', everything is made for a purpose to achieve better results over something else on a specific topic. Do what you feel is best for your own abilities.

RoBOTNIK · How do I cheat? Reputation: 0 Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 4

MFC is good for those who know how to use it. Though it does add extra garbage code and can slow down your application, it's not that bad - that is if you know how to handle it.

I still prefer Win32 API over MFC. WxWidgets (using WxDev) is better then both. It's easier to use, multi platform and fast.

atom0s · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject:

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atom0s · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: