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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: ASM or C++? Reply with quote
which one should i learn first? I started with C++ but i read on a site that ASM will give me a better base on programing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Uh... ASM is necessary for hacking, but in case you just want to program I suggest knowing C++ first.
But you're right, ASM is good to know, at least at a small basis before struggling with C++.

I hope you find programming fun, and don't give up when you get errors Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ASM is not just hacking... and I prefer calling it "reversing" or "debugging and tracing after the code to 'fix' it" Smile

I'd say ASM, necessary for many things and its used almost in every language, so if you want to know how to work with the memory you should probably learn assembly and see how a program works.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Asm is just a step up from machine langaug.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language#Assembly_language
For this fact it is faster and works on a lower level than c++ or other high level langauges. Personally i put programing into these levels.

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0. Machine langauge such as binary, and hexadecimal
1. Assembly
2. High level langauges
3. High'st level langauges // I just believe these dont offer as much in one or more of these areas control, speed, efficiency.


And here are examples for 1-3
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1. Masm, Tasm, Hla
2. C++,C
3.C#, Visual Basic


For most programs High level langauges are good. High'st level langauges tend to be based on rad or simplicity thus tend to have problems with the areas of speed, efficiency, or control.

Really most of your programing will be in c++ so you should learn that first unless you do alot of auto assembly in cheatengine, or reverse engineering, and cracking of software.

And really most things computer programing are put in two catagorys.
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1.Low level
2. High level


Assembly = 1
C++ = 2
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Symbol wrote:
ASM is not just hacking... and I prefer calling it "reversing" or "debugging and tracing after the code to 'fix' it" Smile

I'd say ASM, necessary for many things and its used almost in every language, so if you want to know how to work with the memory you should probably learn assembly and see how a program works.

It's a low-level machine language =/. Reversing != ASM..
Reverse engineering is to 'reverse'/make it as a high level language as well though.
"Know how to work with memory" - LOL Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Loasplagos said the basics.. I say you should learn C++ and maybe some ASM basics that you can learn in about 2 hours.
I preffer to start with C but if you want C++ it's ok too.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I mean, when spawnfestis said "ASM is for hacking"...
Spawnfestis wrote:
Uh... ASM is necessary for hacking

I didn't mean I prefer calling ASM "reversing"... I know the diffrances, unlike spawnfestis... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Losplagos wrote:

And really most things computer programing are put in two catagorys.
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1.Low level
2. High level


Assembly = 1
C++ = 2


There are generations aswell. The higher up its generation, the more simplistic and "english like" it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok thanks for the info guys!
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