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Chaosis13
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 Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: Legal and Illegal |
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Now I just want someone to tell what is and what isnt while hacking.
I know this:
Private Servers = Illegal (But not likely to be fined)
Free Subcriptions/ Members items = Illegal (Could be sent to prison)
Hacking infinite game money = OK
Selling game money = OK
Selling hacked money = ?!?!?!
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Private servers do have a legal side to them as well as an illegal side. It all depends on how you obtain the info and create the server. In such cases, Lineage 2's server source code was leaked causing it to become legal to create your own private servers as long as it DID NOT contain the original code. Such server software as L2J are popular now for private L2 servers which is completely legal.
Free subscriptions / members items? Not too sure what you mean here. But, if you mean selling hacks and such, thats not illegal. Your company would be selling their work, and if it is taken to court, the argument can be taken as selling users access to the database and not the files directly.
Hacking money depends on how its done. You can hack memory all you want and its legal. (Blizzard tried to sue a kid for a trainer for an old Warcraft game and lost because Blizzard does not own the memory on your computer.) As for packets, packet editing can become illegal depending on the integrity of everything.
Selling game money depends on the game. Some games like Everquest had it legal for a while (I think it was Everquest) some games actually sell it thsemselves. Others, though, are highly against it and will actually take you to court over it.
Selling hacked money is illegal. It's fraud.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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most times you just get a ban
only time you risk real trouble is if you hack into there server,
its easier just to ban cheats than risk going to court over it and losing like they did to that kid who made a trainer,,
they look really silly and peevish when that happens
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| U wrote: | most times you just get a ban
only time you risk real trouble is if you hack into there server,
its easier just to ban cheats than risk going to court over it and losing like they did to that kid who made a trainer,,
they look really silly and peevish when that happens |
Blizzard sues everyone they can. I think they get some type of personal satisfaction from doing it even if they lose.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Wiccaan wrote: | | U wrote: | most times you just get a ban
only time you risk real trouble is if you hack into there server,
its easier just to ban cheats than risk going to court over it and losing like they did to that kid who made a trainer,,
they look really silly and peevish when that happens |
Blizzard sues everyone they can. I think they get some type of personal satisfaction from doing it even if they lose. |
blizzard have too much time on they're hands by the sound of it,
yes I have seen something about them prosecuting every one they find cheating, was a long while ago now since I saw it on one of the blizzard sites,
must be doing it more as an effort at putting people off cheating through fear of prosecution, rather than actually getting convictions,
the law has been rewritten so many times now since people first used the internet,
its not a free as it used to be,
but thats the way of the world,,
if it suits the big guys its law
if it suits the ordinary person its a loophole that has to be closed as soon as possible lol
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Chaosis13
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Free Subcriptions/ Members items
I mean if you need to pay $5 to get a members account, and you got it for free by hacking, you ould be sent to prision, like these one people who hack club penguin, lol.
And thank you, cuz I made a hack to get money on a game and was thinking about selling it, but bad idea i guess... =(
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if you hack something such a a dragons amulet from dragon fable then it is illegal but theirs really no way that they have time to go through and make sure every single account with a dragon amulet has paid....and even if they did they couldnt sue u cuzz they cant find u...just keep your ip address hidden....even if you dont its realllllyy hard to track someone using ur IP
if you sell gold to some onne then iots not illegal...as long as the gold is free ...if its not free then u have to pay for it before selling it.....and when you sell gold its pretty much the same thing as selling a gold hack....its not illegal...
if you DIDNT pay for the non-free item u hacked then yeh you will more then likly be tracked
the one thing thats realllly illegal is modifying someones other account(hacking server) because if you mess with some ones account IE: in warcraft if you magically find some way to steal some one elses items (wether its the rarest or most common item) you could get sued by that person and the makers of the game....because that person worked for the item and the people who make the game know that you messed with their server and that you know how to do it again wich could get you into jail so u dont do it again
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ~~ŞũßžĘŕŐ~~ wrote: | if you hack something such a a dragons amulet from dragon fable then it is illegal but theirs really no way that they have time to go through and make sure every single account with a dragon amulet has paid....and even if they did they couldnt sue u cuzz they cant find u...just keep your ip address hidden....even if you dont its realllllyy hard to track someone using ur IP
the one thing thats realllly illegal is modifying someones other account(hacking server) because if you mess with some ones account IE: in warcraft if you magically find some way to steal some one elses items (wether its the rarest or most common item) you could get sued by that person and the makers of the game....because that person worked for the item and the people who make the game know that you messed with their server and that you know how to do it again wich could get you into jail so u dont do it again |
Dude you should know first off, your first post is contradicting. You say it is illegal, but then you say they cant sue you. Then they cant find you.
Got any cows with all that bull?
Next do you realize how many people have hacked others accounts in wow by releasing bullshit key loggers. Blizzard wont do a damn thing if you get your account stolen. They only give a shit if you hack their server or make emulators that allow piracy of the game.
Your posts are getting worse by the day. I would slow down and think a while.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ~~ŞũßžĘŕŐ~~ wrote: | | if you hack something such a a dragons amulet from dragon fable then it is illegal but theirs really no way that they have time to go through and make sure every single account with a dragon amulet has paid.... |
Do you even know how games work? Let alone the databases that hold the accounts? You can VERY EASILY tell if someone paid or didn't pay for an item if it costed money. A database can contain a table that is marked when the item is purchased, meaning if the item is hacked, that table will not get marked. Then all you do is check who has the item and is not marked, not hard to do via SQL queries if that is what is used to store the data.
| ~~ŞũßžĘŕŐ~~ wrote: | | and even if they did they couldnt sue u cuzz they cant find u...just keep your ip address hidden....even if you dont its realllllyy hard to track someone using ur IP |
Can't find you? Do you even know how an IP works? It would take 2 seconds for anyone to locate the node you connect to, let alone the abuse email from the whois database to contact your ISP. The only way to keep yourself 'hidden' would be through a series of proxies. I doubt half the people on this forum even know how to setup one let alone know what it does.
| ~~ŞũßžĘŕŐ~~ wrote: | | if you sell gold to some onne then iots not illegal...as long as the gold is free ...if its not free then u have to pay for it before selling it.....and when you sell gold its pretty much the same thing as selling a gold hack....its not illegal... |
How do you sell free gold? As for selling of in game currancy, that is up to the games ToS if it's legal or not.
| ~~ŞũßžĘŕŐ~~ wrote: | | the one thing thats realllly illegal is modifying someones other account(hacking server) because if you mess with some ones account IE: in warcraft if you magically find some way to steal some one elses items (wether its the rarest or most common item) you could get sued by that person and the makers of the game....because that person worked for the item and the people who make the game know that you messed with their server and that you know how to do it again wich could get you into jail so u dont do it again |
A person has 0 jurisdiction to the item in question if they get their account hacked on a game. It would be up to the game owners to handle the issue. You do not pay for the items on game if you are paying a monthly fee to play a game. You are simply paying to reserve a slot on the server. You do not own anything other then that reserved slot. The owners of the game also have the right to revoke your slot, items, character, etc. at any given time. Without reason.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Wiccaan wrote: | hidden' would be through a series of proxies. I doubt half the people on this forum even know how to setup one let alone know what it does.
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Tor works nice for browsing
tho not had to use it in games but would think it would be a little slow for that still,
but it really works a treat for privacy
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| U wrote: | | Wiccaan wrote: | hidden' would be through a series of proxies. I doubt half the people on this forum even know how to setup one let alone know what it does.
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Tor works nice for browsing
tho not had to use it in games but would think it would be a little slow for that still,
but it really works a treat for privacy |
Tor is probably the best there is currently for what it does. I haven't seen any program even come close to what it can do, or a simple proxy service through a single server. As for being slow, just refresh your current connection till you get one thats a bit fast. Speed has never been an issue for me with Tor.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaosis13 wrote: | Free Subcriptions/ Members items
I mean if you need to pay $5 to get a members account, and you got it for free by hacking, you ould be sent to prision, like these one people who hack club penguin, lol.
And thank you, cuz I made a hack to get money on a game and was thinking about selling it, but bad idea i guess... =( |
If its a five dollar game i doubt you'd get sent to jail. Probably just fined. Now if you got the membership by actually hacking into the server and changing your account status manually, then yes you could.
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