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| Brolock wrote: | | talix what english version of quran do you recommend, i will read it at some point (after Art of War, St. Augustines Confessions, Critique of Pure Reason) because i like to have a general knowledge of things |
honestly, with english you're going to have to inevitably find tafsir at some point, in which case nouman ali khan is really good for that, especially finding them on youtube via bayyinah
www.quran.com has multiple translations, especially for english.
i use all of them to compare. even then i must rely on tafsir.
a local masjid may have a qur'an WITH tafsir in the margins.
i actually have taken about 20 quran, maybe more from my masjid, and given them to several individuals.
my mother has three of them, all different translations, one with tafsir.
Yusuf Ali, Sahih, and Pickthall are good.
but Pickthall (and potentially all without proper study) have some translations that have been taken issue with
| Quote: | For example the verse 5 in the Repentance chapter (in Arabic) says:
((فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ)) التوبة الآية 5
((faktoloo almoshrikeena haitho wagattomohom wa khothohom wa ehsoroohom wa ake’do lahom kolla marsad)) The repentance, Verse 5
You can refer the article named (The Repentance chapter) to know the reason of these verses and what is meant from them. Anyways the translation of Mohammed M. Pickthall was as follows:
((slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush)) Quran 9:5 Pickthall
This did not specify the Meccian soldiers. It is easily known (to us) that the idolaters meant in this verse are the Meccian soldiers and not all idolaters for all times, but this fact will not be known for a (non- Muslim) who is reading the translation of the Quran for the first time. So from my point of view it was better to be translated as follows:
((slay the pagan Meccian soldiers wherever you find them, take them captives, besiege them and prepare for them each ambush)) The noble Quran, Chapter 9, Verse 5
So the one who is quoting this verse from the translation of the Quran will understand that it a story and not an order for all the times and places. Another problem in Pickthall’s translation of the Quran is his translation of the following noble verse:
))جعل الارض قرارا )) النمل الآية 61
((Ga’l Al-arda karara)) The ants, Verse 61
He translated it as follows:
((Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode)) Quran 27:61 Pickthall
So the enemies of the Quran accused us on believing a book that says that the earth is fixed and does not move. From my point of view the noble verse should be translated as follows:
((HE made the earth a resting-place)) The noble Quran, Chapter 27, Verse 61
Another problem was his translation of the story of Zul-Qarnain (the man with two Horns). He translated it in a way that gives an impression that the Quran says that the earth is flat and that Zul-Qarnain reached the extreme west of earth. It also gives an impression that the Quran says that the sun-setting place in the universe is a hot water!!!!!!
There are so many other examples, but it will be so long to mention all of it. |
| HackOtaku wrote: | | It's over Talix. I have the high ground. |
ok sun tzu, maybe it's time you should recognise that as the mercy of your previous defeats.
| HackOtaku wrote: | | Islam has no place in the future of humanity. (see also: other religions), fun to think about, unwise to follow as divine law. |
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2986315/islam-will-overtake-christianity-as-the-worlds-largest-religion-by-2070-new-research-reveals/
68.7% of the world abrahamic in the future, 54.6% just 7 years ago
we were, are, and will be the majority. islam is the future.
وَرَأَيْتَ النَّاسَ يَدْخُلُونَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ أَفْوَاجًا
Allahu Ackbar!
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